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Richard_Feynman on 04 June 2014
novasonic said:
Waay too expensive. That's exactly why developers preferred the PS over N64. Cartridges cost a couple dollars to make. Discs cost a fraction of a penny. Where you're talking about selling millions of unites, that's a huge difference.

I think you're wrong on both accounts, but the ratio is probably not far off :)



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Richard_Feynman on 04 June 2014
HylianSwordsman said:
Intrinsic said:

His snarky opinion about how the digital age is already here.

I disagree. Why do you think there's consumer resistence, in the gaming industry of all industries? We're supposed to be the group that is the first to adopt new technology, yet we rejected the XBO in it's original form. Why? Consumer rights. Our rights to own digital property are shit.

"We're supposed to be the group that is the first to adopt new technology"

Ummm, no. Your thinking about the guys on PC. And they are fully embracing the digital age. So I disagree.



Richard_Feynman on 04 June 2014
Intrinsic said:
HylianSwordsman said:
Intrinsic said:

His snarky opinion about how the digital age is already here.

I disagree. Why do you think there's consumer resistence, in the gaming industry of all industries? We're supposed to be the group that is the first to adopt new technology, yet we rejected the XBO in it's original form. Why? Consumer rights. Our rights to own digital property are shit.

There is nothing wrong with digital.... just look at the Pc guys and steam. And as far as tech adoption gos, they trump console gamers every and any day. What was wrong with MS was how they went about stuff. If they had just been a little more tactful no one would have had a problem.

You fail to see what or how having options play into all these things. You also fail to see how easy it is to make consumers do something if you can in some way mak what you are giving them seem convenient. You may wanna attack what i say as if you are standing up for consumer rights, but trust that i don't much care about digital or physical. I am just stating the facts based on how i have seen things happen in the industry.

Let me give you some "options". Then at least be honest and tell me what you would do.

 

  • PS5/XB2 MSRP $500 with bundled external USB disc drive or,
  • PS5/XB2 MSRP $400 without disc drive you can also buy the proprietary disc drive as a standalone for $120
  • Digatal games $50 excluding $5 discount if you are PS+/XBLG subscriber (so $45 for subscribers) or,
  • Physical game $60
Thats it, nothing else has to change. You can still have yur system with a drive if you want to and buy games on disc. No one stops you and everything constinues as is. And for those going digital, nothing changes there either, oits still done exactly like it is now. The trick is, they have made they primary console configuration one without a drive. you can pay for a discounted console and bundled drive but history has shown that people always go with the cheaper option.

 


fantastic



Richard_Feynman on 04 June 2014

Intrinsic said:

And let me understand something, rather tha buy a console and use an external drive since you would rather use disc drives, because you don't want the whole digital stuff, you would buy the console and pirate (digital by the way) the game cause you are tryng to make a point? Ok... got you.

 


Kudos for staying calm. Enjoyed reading your arguments.



novasonic on 04 June 2014
Richard_Feynman said:
novasonic said:
Waay too expensive. That's exactly why developers preferred the PS over N64. Cartridges cost a couple dollars to make. Discs cost a fraction of a penny. Where you're talking about selling millions of unites, that's a huge difference.

I think you're wrong on both accounts, but the ratio is probably not far off :)

Yeah, I'm not gonna lie. I just pulled numbers out of my ass. Way too lazy to look it up. I do know a little bit about manufacturing though, so I can't be too far off.




8th gen predictions. (made early 2014)
PS4: 60-65m
WiiU: 30-35m
X1: 30-35m
3DS: 80-85m
PSV: 15-20m

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Richard_Feynman on 04 June 2014
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:
Intrinsic said:
HylianSwordsman said:
Playing the victim again............

Wow... are you one of those people that are hell bent on "winning an argument" so they just throw all reason outta the window while at the same time playing the victim role? PC gamers are irrelevant? One second you are talking about nondigital adoption then conveniently ignored the facet of the industry that dictates all these trends.

PC gaming was the first to adopt disc based distribution while consoles were still chasing their tails with carts. Fact. And PC games were the first to run games primarily off a HDD to improve data streaming. Fact. And now PC games are all digital. You saying you don't see a trend there? But fine, for the sake of ur slanted argument lets ignore PC games.

Do you know why the current gen consoles PS4/XBO install all their games to the HDD instead of running them of the disc? Its because of transfer speeds. As games get bigger an level assets get more data expensive, you need much faster ways of moving that data. What this means is that right now there is a fundamental necessity to using a HDD/SDD that a disc can NEVER match. And that trend will only grow. Imagine this, spend 1min 30 secs loading a level off a disc or spend 5 seconds loading it off a HDD, and how patient you can be here isn't even the issue, do you realize that how fast you can move data to RAM actually affects how a game is made?

I was gonna say something about the ridiculous thing you said about tablets replacing PCs (obviously because as tablet tech improves PC tech remains stagnant) but I won't bother. I can see winning is more important to you than the facts so I will just let it go. You win.




lol. Yeah.