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Nem said:
deadly2choke said:

would you say its worth owning the console this early?


To be completely honest, i would have to say no unless you are interested in playing FFXIV. Though it will only be a matter of time before theres more games available. It does feel very green still. No PS1 and PS2 games on the shop yet, for example. The shop itself looks very vacant, especially compared to the PS3 one that is filled to the brim with weekly/monthly promotions and content.

No support for remote servers (if you want to watch stuff from your PC on TV). You have to use the PS3 or 360 for that.

Dont want to make it sound like its a bad buy though, its just very infant still. The fields are still green and waiting to be filled. I dont think its a bad buy to get one at this point though. Its very unlikely the price will drop for at least another year, so if you have the money, why not? Its like owning a bit of the future. If you like FFXIV, then you will get plenty of gaming off it to justify a purchase.

By the end of the year there should be plenty worth having though.


Zekkyou said:
deadly2choke said:

would you say its worth owning the console this early?

He hasn't replied yet so i'm going to butt in :P

Like Nem i tend to hold off on buying consoles for a bit, but i was given a PS4 for my birthday and while i'm enjoying it a lot, if you already own a PS3 or 360 i don't think either the PS4 or X1 can justify their cost quite yet. Even if you enjoyed every exclusive both have to offer, there really isn't all that much to do yet, extra so for the X1 if you already own a 360 or decent PC.

All that in mind, if you have the money to spare or were planning on buying a PS4 before the end of the year, go for it. By then it should be well worth the cost, and seeing as the PS4 is unlikely to get a significant price cut for a while (based on it's current sales), might as well go for it if you did plan on that :)

wasnt on the hot topic...missed it

thanks for the reply guys.....i think i will just wait for gow4 to release or uncharted 4 bundle and hopefully by then they will improve the system



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FlowerGirl said:
irstupid said:
FlowerGirl said:
irstupid said:
And this is why people talk about a video game crash all the time.

Square Enix complaining about Tomb Raider sales. I mean sure the game only had like 4 million sales when they complained, but still. If a game has to sell multiple million to make a profit you only have yourself to blame.

How? Those eye popping graphics people like aren't exactly cheap. It cost big time cash to produce them. I have no idea how it's there fault as that's what most players demand these days, but oh well

Hollywood movies have mocies that end up costing shit tons and when it backfires they don't come out bitching at the consumers for not buying or seeing their movie like the gaming industry does.  They They don't start posting stats about how many lost sales they supposedly had due to piracy, ect.  

 

They take responsiblity and fire who needs to be fired, cancels sequels, ect.  Look at movie like John Carter.  I don't recal Disney compmlaining to us consumers or coming out with a statement like "if you don't buy this movie we wont' make anymore movies" or some bullshit that gaming devs say.   No they canceled John Carter 2.  And moved on to other franchises.  They took a risk with JOhn Carter and it backfired.  They likely won't be as quick to make risks again.  They still will use big budgets on other movies lilke Avengers 2 and Pirates 5.  But less likely to spend 100's of millions on a new franchise.

Oh and lets not forget that Tomb Raider is probably one of the best selling in its franchise history.  So tell me, where did the budgeting come from.  What genius thought, hey lets spend "X" amount of money on this game and in order to be a success it needs to sell double the amount the game has EVER sold in the history of that games beings.  It's retarded.  The person who made that decisions or person, should all be fired and sent back to elementary school to learn how to count.

Something tells me you're not very mature based on all that, but anyway...

What people are failing to realize, including you, is that is the way graphics have advanced, any well-made game is going to cost in the 100 millions to make no matter what, so it's a bit silly to sit back and say "Oh, they should lower their budget" when you have no idea of the development process. Maybe you take a look at the end credits of any recent game and see the tons of people that it takes to complete a game. That might just give you a general idea of what's going on in the industry.

Plus if they didn't produce a game with such graphics, no doubt the same gamers would be crying about how the game looks "last gen" and it would get horrible word of mouth.

Overall though, you might want to get more educated on the industry as a whole, because I can surely tell yours is lacking.

The Witcher 2 cost 10.36 million to make.

That game has better graphics than most every game available even today counting ps4/one games.

So don't tell me that it requires 100 million to make great graphics.  Witcher 2 has great voice acting, multiple language voices, amazing story, long game, amazing graphics and it only cost 10 million dollars to make.  

Bioshock costs 15 million, crysis 15 million, gears of war 2 12 miliion,  oh and E.T costs 23 million.

So tell me, does price justify the games quaility?



haxxiy said:
NeoRatt said:
 

They probably had an average selling price of $40...  That's only $240,000,000...

The cost to build the game was probably around $100,000,000...  Then, borrowing costs, administrative costs, sales, marketing, support, running servers, patches, platform ports, etc...

$240,000,000 doesn't go that far...

Investors looking for ROI's as multipliers... 2x, 3x, 10x, 20x....

Best case scenario they are probably only making .25x...  Why would I put my investment money there?  When I can go and invest in other industries and get 2x, 5x, and 10x the return and not have to front so much.  Gamers don't realize this is about money...  If a solid game like this can only make investors .25x more than their investment they have no incentive to stick in this industry. 

There is no incentive in this industry for a AAA game to be innovative.  Innovation costs more money and there is very little guaranttee that investors will see the money back.  I have a lot of investments.  I don't touch the games industry (even though I love playing games) because as an investor there is no money in it for me.


What the hell?

25% yearly is considered a damn good return on investment and equity both. I'm not sure you know what you are talking about. Unless I'm thinking a different thing and a different timespan, which I consider unlikely, since you mentioned RoI yourself.

In a way, anything breaking even,  above inflation and national interest, can be considered a good investment.

If the market worked solely on multiples every company would have to be Apple at the bare minimum to sustain these standards. Not to mention GDP would be doubling in the span of a few dozen months... China would look like a small fry next to that.

P.S. while I acknowledge there are some investments who return on the multiples, they are extremely rare. If one could reasonably predict which exactly are those, there would be dozens of Rockfellers by now.

I won't touch any investment below a 200% return.