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DevilRising said:
Forgive my apparent "ignorance", but how many problems, precisely, has Barack Obama actually created?

I'm not talking about whether you personally love or hate the guy. I'm talking about what he's actually done. He inherited the single biggest pile of shit mess that any American President has had to deal with since FDR inherited the Great Depression. That's a fact. He spent his entire first term trying to work with a highly obstructionist Congress to clean UP that mess. He succeeded, to some extent. All economic markers are higher than they were before he took office, things have more or less leveled out, and while the job market still isn't GREAT, unemployment is down. Obamacare certainly isn't perfect, and it certainly has it's flaws (I preferred the Public Option plan he originally championed before Congress slapped it down), but, the fact is, Obamacare HAS also helped many people who couldn't be covered because of pre-existing conditions GET covered, and millions of Americans who didn't have coverage now do. If you've ever had medical issues and zero coverage, you'd know what it's like to finally be able to go see doctors and shit again, without going bankrupt in bills.

Obama hasn't been a GREAT president by any means. As a lifelong far-left "Liberal", and damn proud to be one, I personally feel he hasn't been "left" enough, I feel he's tried too hard to stick to his notion of being bi-partisan, being "everyone's president". Which is ironic, because the far-right (especially the Tea Party clowns) love to call him a "Socialist" or "Communist". He couldn't be farther from either unless he was Dick Cheney in the flesh. He's dead center, honestly, in his Presidential actions. And people who label Obamacare as "socialism" honestly have a very ignorant and feeble understanding of what socialism actually is. Obamacare is the most capitalist medical bill to ever be passed, considering the real winners of it's actions are ultimately the private insurance companies who now have even more power and millions more clients.

All in all, I don't regret voting for Obama twice. He was certainly a hell of a lot better than the opposition, and their bat-shit crazy vice prez candidates. He hasn't been a GREAT President, but he's been about as decent of one that he could be, considering how hard Congress makes it for him to ever actually get anything done. The system in DC is fairly broken, and honestly, what America needs is a progressive (as in forward thinking) INDEPENDENT candidate. The two party system is old and antiquated. It does us no good. And no, I don't mean "Libertarians". I mean an actual Independent. But even if we got an Indy President worth half a shit, Congress would still shit on him and obstruct any good he'd want to do. Which is why Congress and the system in general really need to change..........the "Old Boys Club" on Capitol Hill needs to go, if America is EVER going to actually progress as a nation.

That's my two cents anyway.

Exactly this. Obama would be considered like a conservative in many countries (where the situation is quite better by the way like Germany, Canada, Sweden etc).  



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You guys need to realize all parties are a joke, the only thing that rules in america is money and whoever is in power is going to fight for the 1% that has the money.



travis said:
Just pay normal tax rates like everybody else in the developed world (and cut the goddamn tax breaks to the millionaires and billionaires) and stop threatening the global economy because of your stupid ideology. Infrastructures are collapsing in the US, middle class is poorer that it was a few decades ago, your social mobility is terrible. Plus war in Iraq was the biggest mistake ever, the best exemple about what so wrong with this country.

But no, people will go on with things like tea party and paranoia about the government and so on.


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travis said:
Just pay normal tax rates like everybody else in the developed world (and cut the goddamn tax breaks to the millionaires and billionaires) and stop threatening the global economy because of your stupid ideology. Infrastructures are collapsing in the US, middle class is poorer that it was a few decades ago, your social mobility is terrible. Plus war in Iraq was the biggest mistake ever, the best exemple about what so wrong with this country.

But no, people will go on with things like tea party and paranoia about the government and so on.

Here's the thing you probably don't realize.

Normal tax rates would increase the tax rate for pretty much everybody in the US....

and it would increase the least for the rich.

The US actually has the most progressive tax system in the world.

It's just we don't spend that money very progressivly.

 

Normal tax systems in most europeon countries actually end up being regressive, do to high VAT taxes and other indirect taxes being placed on consumer.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/04/05/americas-taxes-are-the-most-progressive-in-the-world-its-government-is-among-the-least/

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/02/us-taxes-really-are-unusually-progressive/252917/

 

I mean, you could argue you need more taxes for a more progressive system I suppose.  I'd think it'd be nice to try it before doing so though.



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DevilRising said:
travis said:
Just pay normal tax rates like everybody else in the developed world (and cut the goddamn tax breaks to the millionaires and billionaires) and stop threatening the global economy because of your stupid ideology. Infrastructures are collapsing in the US, middle class is poorer that it was a few decades ago, your social mobility is terrible. Plus war in Iraq was the biggest mistake ever, the best exemple about what so wrong with this country.

But no, people will go on with things like tea party and paranoia about the government and so on.


Quoted for Truth.

 

 

It's not tax progressivity that causes income inequality in the US.

It's lack of progressive spending.

 

 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/09/19/other-countries-dont-have-a-47/



kill congress



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Illuminati. So they can't do anything.



Also we could drastically cut military spending, we're spending more than some countries combined and that's just a waste of money.



what do you mean fix? all is going according to plan ;)


you're just not seeing the bigger plan going on behind the scenes. any president in place is just a face not an actual ruler



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