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Auron said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
Auron said:
I guess this means you finally accept that HD-DVD is dead. I mean why else make a new Blu-ray thread. The last one stipulated that it will continue until HD-DVD is dead. Now since you decided time for a new thread i guess you saw the light and stopped denying the obvious.

What do you mean "finally"? Death hasn't even been pronounced.

I started this thread to talk about blu-ray like an actual disucssion, not as an excuse for fanboyism, which is what you seem to be doing.


Well this is a public forum, i do not need to be a fanboy to know that HD-DVD is done for. If you don't want people to disagree with you and only want people to agree with you i suggest talking to a mirror, cause unless you have multiple personalities, the person looking back at you will always say what you say.


But you're being a fanboy to imply HD-DVD was dead before it was. Now stop that or get off this thread.



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Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

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I'm a blu-ray fan! Yay!
Prices are starting to become fairly reasonable...Amazon is getting plenty of titles priced between $15-20 now...and often does buy one, get one deals.

 



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Well BOGOs are unfortunately not a drop in MSRP. That would ensure price drops across the board, and that sales would mean they cost even less.



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

http://shopping.yahoo.com/articles/yshoppingarticles/84/sharpening-up-your-new-hdtv

This is still a major issue for HD. People still don't know how to hook up HDTVs, which means for those with blu-ray, it likely isn't watched properly either.

"It's not like the old days when you could just plug a TV into the wall and everything magically worked. HDTVs require a little nuance and a little knowledge."

Okay, if nuance didn't work for Kerry (and I voted for him), it won't help hi-def.

No matter how much some may want to deny it, intuitiveness is what sold DVD to the masses. It was built into the system. Intuitiveness will need to be integrated into blu-ray, or else A/V fans will be the only ones bothering to get the most out of it.



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

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LordTheNightKnight said:
Auron said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
Auron said:
I guess this means you finally accept that HD-DVD is dead. I mean why else make a new Blu-ray thread. The last one stipulated that it will continue until HD-DVD is dead. Now since you decided time for a new thread i guess you saw the light and stopped denying the obvious.

What do you mean "finally"? Death hasn't even been pronounced.

I started this thread to talk about blu-ray like an actual disucssion, not as an excuse for fanboyism, which is what you seem to be doing.


Well this is a public forum, i do not need to be a fanboy to know that HD-DVD is done for. If you don't want people to disagree with you and only want people to agree with you i suggest talking to a mirror, cause unless you have multiple personalities, the person looking back at you will always say what you say.


But you're being a fanboy to imply HD-DVD was dead before it was. Now stop that or get off this thread.


 Oh wow you told me what to do online, haha, public forum you fail.  Like i said talk to a mirror to hear your own opinions.  BTW not a fanboy of either since i do not own either.



Auron said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
Auron said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
Auron said:
I guess this means you finally accept that HD-DVD is dead. I mean why else make a new Blu-ray thread. The last one stipulated that it will continue until HD-DVD is dead. Now since you decided time for a new thread i guess you saw the light and stopped denying the obvious.

What do you mean "finally"? Death hasn't even been pronounced.

I started this thread to talk about blu-ray like an actual disucssion, not as an excuse for fanboyism, which is what you seem to be doing.


Well this is a public forum, i do not need to be a fanboy to know that HD-DVD is done for. If you don't want people to disagree with you and only want people to agree with you i suggest talking to a mirror, cause unless you have multiple personalities, the person looking back at you will always say what you say.


But you're being a fanboy to imply HD-DVD was dead before it was. Now stop that or get off this thread.


Oh wow you told me what to do online, haha, public forum you fail. Like i said talk to a mirror to hear your own opinions. BTW not a fanboy of either since i do not own either.


Public forums still have rules. No derailing threads is one. As long as you don't do that, we're cool. 



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

So what's the next step for Blu? I heard new titles are using PiP so what else is on the table?



Auron said:
So what's the next step for Blu? I heard new titles are using PiP so what else is on the table?

Well catching up to HD-DVD's standards isn't finished yet, so what's next will likely wait for that. 



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

Latest Associated Press report gives the status on this. My comments in bold.

Sony's Blu-ray DVD format could prevail

By YURI KAGEYAMA, AP Business Writer 2 hours, 9 minutes ago

TOKYO - Sony's Blu-ray technology is emerging as the likely winner in the format battle for the next generation of DVD players after Toshiba appeared ready to ditch its HD DVD business.

Such a move would help consumers know which system to invest in and would likely boost sales in Blu-ray gadgets, analysts say. But it will disappoint the 1 million people around the world estimated by Toshiba who have already bought HD DVD players.

Toshiba Corp. said Monday no decision has been made but acknowledged it had started a review of its HD DVD strategy. The comments follow a flurry of weekend Japanese media reports that the company was close to pulling the plug on the business.

A company official, speaking on condition of anonymity because she isn't authorized to speak on the matter, said a board meeting could be held as soon as Tuesday, where a decision is likely.

Okay, so we have a day or two to see what could happen. A transition plan would be good. They could start making dual players for about a year, to help ease HD-DVD owners.

HD DVD has been competing against Blu-ray disc technology, backed by Sony Corp., Matsushita Electric Industrial Co., which makes Panasonic brand products, five major Hollywood movie studios and others.

Both formats deliver crisp, clear high-definition pictures and sound, but they are incompatible with each other, and neither plays on older DVD players. HD DVD was touted as being cheaper because it was more similar to previous video technology, while Blu-ray boasted bigger recording capacity. Both formats play on high-definition TVs.

Only one video format has been expected to emerge as the victor, much like VHS trumped Sony's Betamax in the video format battle of the 1980s.

This time, however, it appears Sony will end up on the winning side.

"If true, this will be good news for the next-generation DVD industry in clearing up the confusion for consumers because of the format competition that had curbed buying," said Koya Tabata, electronics analyst at Credit Suisse in Tokyo. "This will work toward a profit boost for Sony."

The reasons behind Blu-ray's apparent triumph over HD DVD are complex, analysts said, as marketing, management maneuvers and other factors are believed to have played into the shift to Blu-ray's favor that became more decisive during the critical holiday shopping season.

So either this article is wrong, or it was far more than just the PS3 that put blu-ray on top.

Recently, the Blu-ray disc format has been gaining market share, especially in Japan. A study on fourth quarter sales last year by market researcher BCN Inc. found that by unit volume, Blu-ray made up 96 percent of Japanese sales.

American movie studios also were increasingly lining up behind the Blu-ray standard.

Last month, Warner Bros. Entertainment decided to release movie discs only in the Blu-ray format, joining Sony Pictures, Walt Disney Co. and News Corp.'s Twentieth Century Fox. That left only Viacom Inc.'s Paramount Pictures and General Electric Co.'s Universal Pictures as exclusive supporters of HD DVD.

On Friday, Wal-Mart Stores Inc., the largest U.S. retailer, said it will sell only Blu-ray DVDs and hardware. That announcement came five days after Netflix Inc. said it will cease carrying rentals in HD DVD.

Several major American retailers have made similar decisions, including Target Corp. and Blockbuster Inc.

Despite the reports, Toshiba's stock soared 5.7 percent to 829 yen ($7.69) in Tokyo as investors cheered the likely decision as lessening the potential damage in losses in the HD DVD operations, despite the blow to Toshiba's prestige.

This is a surprise. At least Toshiba may not lose as much as they feared.

Sony shares rose 1.0 percent to 4,900 yen ($45.45). The Tokyo-based manufacturer declined comment on the reports about HD DVD. Sony also said it did not have numbers on how many Blu-ray players had been sold globally, or a number for Sony brand Blu-ray machines sold.

Another surprise, although Sony should be focusing on where to go next. Getting attention to the mainstream is key.

Adding to Blu-ray's momentum was the gradual increase in sales of Sony's PlayStation 3 home video-game console, which also works as a Blu-ray player. Sony has sold 10.5 million PS3 machines worldwide since the machine went on sale late 2006.

But PS3 sales have trailed the blockbuster Wii machine from Nintendo Co., and the game machine wasn't widely seen as that critical to the video format battle.

So the PS3 helped, but it wasn't the reason blu-ray got here. The whole format did that.

Microsoft Corp.'s Xbox 360 game machine can play HD DVD movies, but the drive had to be bought separately, and its proliferation is believed to be limited. Toshiba said such players are included in the overall tally of 1 million HD DVD players sold so far.

Kazuharu Miura, an analyst at Daiwa Institute of Research in Tokyo, said the final holdout for HD DVD may come in personal computers, if Microsoft decides to continue to push HD DVD. But once the balance tilts in favor of one format, then the domination tends to become final, he said.

If Microsoft holds out (which shouldn't surprise any of us), I would say dual players are likely, just to keep HD-DVD as an option, but not much more.

"You've seen this happen before, as in Macintosh vs. Windows," he said. "The content makers are going to choose one format, and the stores are going to want to stack their shelves with the dominant format, too."

Toshiba is expected to focus its resources on its other businesses, including computer chip production, such as flash-memory, which are used in digital cameras and cell phones.

The Nikkei, Japan's top business newspaper, reported in its Monday's editions that Toshiba plans to invest as much as 1.8 trillion yen ($16.7 billion) in two plants in Japan for its flash memory business for fiscal 2008, starting April 1. Toshiba said no decision has been made.

So we may find out HD-DVD's fate as early as Teusday. The good news is that their stock went up. I don't know why, but this may mean Toshiba would be willing to help the BDA in any way needed

Sony not saying anything shouldn't be a surprise. They are likely waiting to see what Toshiba will do. Plus gloating of any kind would just be bad form for a Japanese business.*

 

* On that note, I wonder if they approve of what Warner did. Not boing with blu-ray, but doing it in a way that ruined the HD-DVD CEs conference. After all, the last time someone pulled the rug out of another company at CES, it was Nintendo doing it do Sony.



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs