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SvennoJ on 01 December 2013
selnor1983 said:
The bottom pictures aree all wrong in colour. Theirs no black. The top images are far better. And have more vibrant colour depth. The bottom pics are washed out. My console looks like the top.I have setting on 36 bit colour (factory is 24 ) and RGB colour to full range ( factory set to half ) also 1080p. Best pictuure. Rich colour and not washed out.

They're only all wrong in color if you have not properly calibrated your tv. Judging them on a full rgb pc screen is not a good comparison either.

The issue is that the Xbox One alters the image to make it 'pop' on pc screens. However by doing so it removes detail from the image, both in the lower black and upper white range. Apart from the loss of detail it's also the odd one out again. If you calibrate your tv so the xbox one looks nice, everything else will look washed out. If you calibrate your tv for movie viewing (DVD or Blu-ray calibration) the Xbox One output will be too dark and oversaturated.

It was the same with 360. PS3, TV, DVD, could all share the same settings for correct brighness and contrast range with proper shadow detail, the 360 was too dark on the same settings. Set it right for 360 -> PS3, DVD, TV all look washed out. Now with Xbox One it seems they've only made it worse.

The fact that there is such a huge difference between 720p and upscaled 1080p output should raise plenty of red flags. Calibration should happen on the display side, the console only needs to send the complete unaltered data over.

I hope they add options to disable all the image 'enhancements' in a patch. No sharpness filter and gamma adjustment please.



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jlmurph2 on 02 December 2013

Wow people are still nitpicking at these pictures? Not once while playing this game was I ever distracted by "crushed blacks". I just play the game and have fun with it. Its 20 bucks.



JazzB1987 on 02 December 2013
pokoko said:
The fur looks really bad in the bottom pictures, though.

Donkey Kong would be shocked and dismayed.

Even this guy is shocked



Gehirnkrampf on 02 December 2013

it really doesn't matter what looks better.
the fact is, the xbox changes the picture. the game designer has to compile the game and watch his texture on a running xbox to see how it will look. the stuff he does on his mac screen is simply too far away.
mircosoft has to change this, it is as simple as that. it's hilarious.



must-have-list for platforms i don't own yet:

WiiU: Donkey Kong

XBone: Dead Rising 3, Ryse

jlmurph2 on 02 December 2013
Gehirnkrampf said:
it really doesn't matter what looks better.
the fact is, the xbox changes the picture. the game designer has to compile the game and watch his texture on a running xbox to see how it will look. the stuff he does on his mac screen is simply too far away.
mircosoft has to change this, it is as simple as that. it's hilarious.


Isn't that what dev kits are for..



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Lafiel on 02 December 2013
jlmurph2 said:
Wow people are still nitpicking at these pictures? Not once while playing this game was I ever distracted by "crushed blacks". I just play the game and have fun with it. Its 20 bucks.

Crushed blacks are very annoying in dark games in which you have to spot enemies in the shadows, which simply isn't possible if there is no details in the shadows. In Killer Instinct it probably has no influence on gameplay, but in Dead Rising it might.



selnor1983 on 02 December 2013
SvennoJ said:
selnor1983 said:
The bottom pictures aree all wrong in colour. Theirs no black. The top images are far better. And have more vibrant colour depth. The bottom pics are washed out. My console looks like the top.I have setting on 36 bit colour (factory is 24 ) and RGB colour to full range ( factory set to half ) also 1080p. Best pictuure. Rich colour and not washed out.

They're only all wrong in color if you have not properly calibrated your tv. Judging them on a full rgb pc screen is not a good comparison either.

The issue is that the Xbox One alters the image to make it 'pop' on pc screens. However by doing so it removes detail from the image, both in the lower black and upper white range. Apart from the loss of detail it's also the odd one out again. If you calibrate your tv so the xbox one looks nice, everything else will look washed out. If you calibrate your tv for movie viewing (DVD or Blu-ray calibration) the Xbox One output will be too dark and oversaturated.

It was the same with 360. PS3, TV, DVD, could all share the same settings for correct brighness and contrast range with proper shadow detail, the 360 was too dark on the same settings. Set it right for 360 -> PS3, DVD, TV all look washed out. Now with Xbox One it seems they've only made it worse.

The fact that there is such a huge difference between 720p and upscaled 1080p output should raise plenty of red flags. Calibration should happen on the display side, the console only needs to send the complete unaltered data over.

I hope they add options to disable all the image 'enhancements' in a patch. No sharpness filter and gamma adjustment please.

Everything goes through my Xbox One. TV, Games, Bluray, Tablet screen on large screen. Etc. The Xbo One is my media hub. Use the in built HDTV set up program on Xbox One. It sets all the settings with you. And wallah. Now my Sky TV looks better through The One than direct. It upscales to 1080p my 720p Sky image. Also the colours are WAY better through The One than direct to TV.

I am extremely happy with my 1080p output image. Looks far better than in 720p. It makes Ryse look more realsitic than it already did.



Somini on 02 December 2013

Some people like darker pictures. I've seen comments on youtube saying Xbone version of X game is better than the PS4 one because of the darkness, which is not true of course, but that's how some see it!



SvennoJ on 02 December 2013
selnor1983 said:
SvennoJ said:
selnor1983 said:
The bottom pictures aree all wrong in colour. Theirs no black. The top images are far better. And have more vibrant colour depth. The bottom pics are washed out. My console looks like the top.I have setting on 36 bit colour (factory is 24 ) and RGB colour to full range ( factory set to half ) also 1080p. Best pictuure. Rich colour and not washed out.

They're only all wrong in color if you have not properly calibrated your tv. Judging them on a full rgb pc screen is not a good comparison either.

The issue is that the Xbox One alters the image to make it 'pop' on pc screens. However by doing so it removes detail from the image, both in the lower black and upper white range. Apart from the loss of detail it's also the odd one out again. If you calibrate your tv so the xbox one looks nice, everything else will look washed out. If you calibrate your tv for movie viewing (DVD or Blu-ray calibration) the Xbox One output will be too dark and oversaturated.

It was the same with 360. PS3, TV, DVD, could all share the same settings for correct brighness and contrast range with proper shadow detail, the 360 was too dark on the same settings. Set it right for 360 -> PS3, DVD, TV all look washed out. Now with Xbox One it seems they've only made it worse.

The fact that there is such a huge difference between 720p and upscaled 1080p output should raise plenty of red flags. Calibration should happen on the display side, the console only needs to send the complete unaltered data over.

I hope they add options to disable all the image 'enhancements' in a patch. No sharpness filter and gamma adjustment please.

Everything goes through my Xbox One. TV, Games, Bluray, Tablet screen on large screen. Etc. The Xbo One is my media hub. Use the in built HDTV set up program on Xbox One. It sets all the settings with you. And wallah. Now my Sky TV looks better through The One than direct. It upscales to 1080p my 720p Sky image. Also the colours are WAY better through The One than direct to TV.

I am extremely happy with my 1080p output image. Looks far better than in 720p. It makes Ryse look more realsitic than it already did.

So you like crushed blacks on all your content? Ryse has nothing to do with it since they bypass the upscale filter and made their own 900p to 1080p solution.

What happens with blu-ray 24hz mode? Does it still alter the 1080p image to conform with the rest or do blu-rays look washed out like the 720p direct images?

How can everything go through XBox One, there's only 1 HDMI input. If you use an amplifier for sound you can put the amp out hdmi into the XBox One, but then the XBox One only has sound through the tv...

If the xbox one processed picture looks better then a direct link, then it can look even better when you calibrate the tv correctly, enjoy tv without crushed blacks and whiteouts. This can only be in any way beneficial if you have a tv without basic brightness/contrast/color controls.

It's fine if they add a setting in the control panel to bypass all these image filters. Pass through direct, disable sharpness/contrast/gamma adjustments. Forcing it for any content that needs to be upscaled sucks.



selnor1983 on 02 December 2013
SvennoJ said:
selnor1983 said:
SvennoJ said:
selnor1983 said:
The bottom pictures aree all wrong in colour. Theirs no black. The top images are far better. And have more vibrant colour depth. The bottom pics are washed out. My console looks like the top.I have setting on 36 bit colour (factory is 24 ) and RGB colour to full range ( factory set to half ) also 1080p. Best pictuure. Rich colour and not washed out.

They're only all wrong in color if you have not properly calibrated your tv. Judging them on a full rgb pc screen is not a good comparison either.

The issue is that the Xbox One alters the image to make it 'pop' on pc screens. However by doing so it removes detail from the image, both in the lower black and upper white range. Apart from the loss of detail it's also the odd one out again. If you calibrate your tv so the xbox one looks nice, everything else will look washed out. If you calibrate your tv for movie viewing (DVD or Blu-ray calibration) the Xbox One output will be too dark and oversaturated.

It was the same with 360. PS3, TV, DVD, could all share the same settings for correct brighness and contrast range with proper shadow detail, the 360 was too dark on the same settings. Set it right for 360 -> PS3, DVD, TV all look washed out. Now with Xbox One it seems they've only made it worse.

The fact that there is such a huge difference between 720p and upscaled 1080p output should raise plenty of red flags. Calibration should happen on the display side, the console only needs to send the complete unaltered data over.

I hope they add options to disable all the image 'enhancements' in a patch. No sharpness filter and gamma adjustment please.

Everything goes through my Xbox One. TV, Games, Bluray, Tablet screen on large screen. Etc. The Xbo One is my media hub. Use the in built HDTV set up program on Xbox One. It sets all the settings with you. And wallah. Now my Sky TV looks better through The One than direct. It upscales to 1080p my 720p Sky image. Also the colours are WAY better through The One than direct to TV.

I am extremely happy with my 1080p output image. Looks far better than in 720p. It makes Ryse look more realsitic than it already did.

So you like crushed blacks on all your content? Ryse has nothing to do with it since they bypass the upscale filter and made their own 900p to 1080p solution.

What happens with blu-ray 24hz mode? Does it still alter the 1080p image to conform with the rest or do blu-rays look washed out like the 720p direct images?

How can everything go through XBox One, there's only 1 HDMI input. If you use an amplifier for sound you can put the amp out hdmi into the XBox One, but then the XBox One only has sound through the tv...

If the xbox one processed picture looks better then a direct link, then it can look even better when you calibrate the tv correctly, enjoy tv without crushed blacks and whiteouts. This can only be in any way beneficial if you have a tv without basic brightness/contrast/color controls.

It's fine if they add a setting in the control panel to bypass all these image filters. Pass through direct, disable sharpness/contrast/gamma adjustments. Forcing it for any content that needs to be upscaled sucks.

My point is, the 720p image looks like arse. Their is no black at all. Its dark grey or light grey. Hate that. When its dark it shoud be dark. Not dark grey. White should not be light grey.

As for amping. I use Optical Out. Also my HDTV has HDMI out which if I want can connect all 5 HDMI inputs to my amp through one HDMI cable. However I now have 1 HDMI going into TV. Because my Xbox One Plays Blurays itself. My Sky Box goes through the Xbox One. I can access internet, netflix, etc etc etc all from one input on my TV. I have it set up for Xbox One on picture nothing else.

So convienient and easy.