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Pjams on 13 November 2013

After reading the title of the thread and then reading what you wrote, let my surmise:

basically, you were always getting an Xbone but you didn't feel comfortable telling that to complete strangers on a forum, but now that you've found enough affirmation from some other strangers, you now can tell all the strangers your getting an Xbone.

Good for you, I think.



 

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Serious_frusting on 13 November 2013

I had a PS4 pre ordered. Due to a mixup at Game my preorder is no more. Stupid shop.

Kind of a blessing in disguise though as I will no longer be a guinea pig for the console launch. Im just gonna sit back and see what faults each system has and wait for all the kinks to be ironed out.



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Pjams on 13 November 2013
Daisuke72 said:
yo_john117 said:
Daisuke72 said:
yo_john117 said:
Daisuke72 said:

Runs Crysis @ 1080P @ 38 FPS with 8xAF(Ryse doesn't have this) and this is how it performs before you overclock it, see that Radeon 7770 at the bottom? The Xbone has a very slighly better GPU than it, like very slightly so the benchmarks would be similair. The PS4's GPU is closer to a 7870, as you can see, the 7870 averages almost twice the resolution than the Xbone, and that doesn't account for Xbone's slow DDR3 RAM which would probably cripple the FPS to lower than the Radeon 7770 if you also take in account for the 10% Kinect takes up....

I guess the main reason why I thought that way was because I owned this laptop for a while (but with a lower grade graphics card...a GTX 650M) and bought The Witcher 2 and it could barely play the game on low (anything above that would result in terrible FPS) and playing it on the 360 it looked a good deal better than the PC version on low despite that laptop absolutely blowing the 360 out of the water. My cousin also got that laptop for a while and had the same problems with it so I don't know what was going on with that.


did you render the game at 720P? 

I honestly don't remember. All I remember of that is trying a bunch of different things with it and being quite angry that a laptop with specs that destroyed the 360 (and for that matter, better than the X1 specs for GPU and CPU) couldn't run games with even close to equal graphical fidelity that the 360 had. I'm sure it's a fluke or something though. But now you can see why I thought that way. 

@Fatslob: I'm not sure what you're trying to get at but yes that laptop had DDR3 in it.

the gtx 650M is a mobile gpu, it's not the normal version, it's nowhere near xbone level gpu

 

You probably were running it at your laptop's native res, which is too taxing for it no matter what settings, but yes I understand why you thought that way.


The GtX 650M is a very nice moblie card. It can run most games at meduim to high settings at 1080p@40-60fps. Comparing it to a 360 is laughable. I have a GTX 560M in my laptop and it outputs Witcher2 at 1080p with a far better framerate than the 360. And I do own Witcher 2 on my 360. (or did I stumble into a 720p looks better than 1080p argument)



 

Dv8thwonder on 13 November 2013
Figgycal said:

"Plenty people are happy with their Wii U." <_<

Now that they have games coming out.


Not to worry. PS4 and Xbox One will face the same issues. The only difference will be that they will have broken games *ahem* I mean 3rd party software to fill in the gaps.



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Pjams on 13 November 2013
Dv8thwonder said:
Figgycal said:

"Plenty people are happy with their Wii U." <_<

Now that they have games coming out.


Not to worry. PS4 and Xbox One will face the same issues. The only difference will be that they will have broken games *ahem* I mean 3rd party software to fill in the gaps.


I have a WiiU from launch and *ahem all I've  gotten was 3rd party software to fill the gap



 

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Shinobi-san on 13 November 2013
yo_john117 said:
Daisuke72 said:
Vasto said:

That pc is total garbage you just put together. 

Much better GPU, CPU on the same performance level, and you can overclock both, how is the PC total garbage for the price? It EASILY outpeforms the Xbone so I guess that's total garbage as well, huh? 

Not that I think that PC is garbage by any means but an important thing that needs to be considered when you do comparisons like this is that a PC will almost never be able to produce the graphic fidelity that an equal-speced console can do. If you make a PC with the same specs as the 360 has you'll have trouble trying to get games to look anywhere near as good. This isn't the PC's fault though because console games can be so much more easily optimized than PC games usually are which is why that disparity exists.

 

@Darth Tigris: I disagree. While I don't understand people who think resolution is all that matters or is the most important thing, they most certainly shouldn't be moderated for it because everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

@Shinobi-san: I think you misunderstood what I was trying to say. I'm not saying that resolution doesn't matter because it does but the people that I entitled "bad gamers" were the people that act like resolution is the most important thing or overplay it. Like I said to adriane23, resolution does matter (and it will matter more or less in varying degrees to different people) but it's one of many things that should be considered when choosing a system, it should not be the defining one and I truly believe the only people that act like it is are the one's that are caught up in the console wars crap.

I agree but you never said any of that in your initial post



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Panama on 13 November 2013

Been gaming mostly in 720p on consoles for 8 years now, how can you be fine with any of the news?



globalisateur on 13 November 2013

Please wait for at least more reviews and DF's face-off before making a final judgment from one reviewer.

Because others reviewers like at IGN would prefer the 1080p version and said framerate hiccup was rare and only occasionnal. Eurogamer's review did not even talked about framerate drops. Also some have seen framerates problems on XOne version aswell and some prefered the PS4 controller over XOne's.

And don't forget to consider that Polygon gave The Last of Us 7.5.
And that BF4 being lower resolution AND lower framerate VS PS4 didn't prevent them (Polygon) to give the game the same score.
Finally, framerates can be easily patched as they are occuring mostly at same moments (apparently some smoke moments).

Personnaly I can't stand any upscaled resolution I would prefer have a stutter every hour in a game (that's what some source and IGN roughly said) and have 125% more pixels, and native.



endimion on 13 November 2013

What is all that talk about PCs at 500 custom built more powerful than a console... How many PC owners are building their own PC??? Heck how many PC owners are actual gamers...??? Steam just past 65 millions members... Who are we trying to convince here??? PC sales are going down the drain, people are not making custom built... Bottom line most people with a PC either don't game on it, or not powerful enough to play games as well as a console....

so yeah for most people a console is the better solution... Especially since even me that could build one easily have no interest in doing so compared to buying a console for the convenience of use, the UI, the set up, the close aspect of it... Etc.. For an all in one entertainment box a console is way more convenient for me and a huge majority of people less tech literate... And to me at that the XBoss one is the better choice no matter the game res differences... And 100 bucks more is not much IMO compared to the convenience and ease of use of the product...

in the same ballpark you could compare why people buy iPads and iPhones or pretty much any apple products when they can get better performing products for cheaper most of the time??? The answer is pretty much the same... Convenience and ease of use for noobs or people that want something simple even if they are techies



adriane23 on 13 November 2013
yo_john117 said:
adriane23 said:
yo_john117 said:
"It seems like it's turning out that next gen textures and effects is a bigger deal than resolution. 720P as long as it has next textures and effects is fine. XO games will be a big step up from 360 ones even at the same 720P resolution Sure 1080P is preferable, but it's not a dealbreaker."

What you said here is exactly true.

IMO anyone who says otherwise isn't a good gamer (or in other words, they care more about the console wars BS than they do about actual games which makes them petty and sad).


You're basically slapping every PC gamer in the face sir......Please continue.

No I am not. Read the quoted part, that's what I'm responding to.

 A game in 1080p is better than the same game in 720p everytime but a game being 720p should not be a dealbreaker. It's one factor out of many that should be considered when choosing a console, not the defining factor of that system.

I know what you were responding to. The PC version of most multiplats only have resolution and framerate advantages (Batman Arkham series, DmC, Street Fighter 4, COD, etc.).



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