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Captain_Tom said:


Honestly I have never trusted anandtech's numbers.  They always deviate heavily towards Nvidia from my other three websites: Techspot, Techreport, and Tom's Hardware.


No way.
I've found Anandtech to be right on the money in my experience.
Besides, if anything Anand favors AMD due to the extra advertising and the "AMD Center" even then I find them to be incredibly impartial.

The forums however are a completely different story, where nVidia has reps that knock AMD down constantly.

The main issue with Anandtech is how they generally never use the latest drivers in their bench section, as most know AMD was incredibly reliant on driver updates to extract performance from VLIW4 and GCN in the early days, I can understand why they did it, to keep everything fair and balanced, but it's still annoying.
That's why the numbers seem to deviate.




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Pemalite said:
Captain_Tom said:


Honestly I have never trusted anandtech's numbers.  They always deviate heavily towards Nvidia from my other three websites: Techspot, Techreport, and Tom's Hardware.


No way.
I've found Anandtech to be right on the money in my experience.
Besides, if anything Anand favors AMD due to the extra advertising and the "AMD Center" even then I find them to be incredibly impartial.

The forums however are a completely different story, where nVidia has reps that knock AMD down constantly.

The main issue with Anandtech is how they generally never use the latest drivers in their bench section, as most know AMD was incredibly reliant on driver updates to extract performance from VLIW4 and GCN in the early days, I can understand why they did it, to keep everything fair and balanced, but it's still annoying.
That's why the numbers seem to deviate.

That's what I mean.  Maybe I noticed the AMD problems more because I have an AMD card, but there have been multiple times where I have found my Nvidia or even Intel card performing completely differently from their's.  

There's just been too many times I have found them WAY off.  If you like them that is fine, but like you said: "They never use the latest drivers."



Come on, CGI. It seems like you are willingly overlooking Captain_Tom's whole point. Sure his original claim perhaps holds only half truth (doesn't necessarily thrash the Titan). The 290X is AMD's competitor against the Nvidia's Titan; most sites I have looked at have the 290X above the Titan in most practical situations. If we are to give the benefit of the doubt to the Titan, then the best argument would be putting the Titan and 290X equivalent (even split across different tests). Fine. Where things get exciting is that the 290X is only $550, $450 less than the Titan.That is a huge cross chop to the back of the neck of Nvidia and it's fanboys. AMD is pushing so we never see $1000 single GPU BS for enthusiasts again.This is where Captain_Toms point holds some truth, and why every review site is praising AMD's new entry.

And LOL at the guy wanting to go from a Titan to a 290X.




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klepp0906 said:
zarx said:


Kicks arse at higher resolutions like 4K

 


Cute how you edited out the instances where it beats titan are in crossfire vs single card :p (I just viewed the source and compared fc3) you can overlay the two graphs and they're identical except the word crossfire in quotations is magically missing from yours :p what is the point? Just to troll? I've yet to find the instance where it beats a titan, by any amount let alone any meaningful amount.


What are you talking about I didn't edit anything lol the image is straight from the source http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/R9_290X/15.html and there is no mention of CrossFire on the page...

 

This is from the seperate CrossFire review

 

 

 

 

Also @ the "upgrading" from Titan to 290X guy, to be fair he could probably sell his Titan for ~$500 so it wouldn't be that expensive lol

 



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Captain_Tom said:

There's just been too many times I have found them WAY off.  If you like them that is fine, but like you said: "They never use the latest drivers."

It is not like that.

They use the lastest driver at launch (or when the review was made)...

For example this 290X review:

NVIDIA Release 331.58 - All nVidia
AMD Catalyst 13.11 Beta v1 - All AMD except 290X
AMD Catalyst 13.11 Beta v5 - 290X

Can you say if there is any new released driver?



ethomaz said:

It is not like that.

They use the lastest driver at launch (or when the review was made)...

For example this 290X review:

NVIDIA Release 331.58 - All nVidia
AMD Catalyst 13.11 Beta v1 - All AMD except 290X
AMD Catalyst 13.11 Beta v5 - 290X

Can you say if there is any new released driver?


That's my point completely.
The 13.11 revision 5 isn't used on all prior AMD cards.

Which is because of time constraints.
In Anand's bench it's even worse with some cards probably still using numbers from cat 12.10~
It's still no different than how Anand treats nVidia cards generally, just AMD cards seem to always benefit more (From a performance perspective) from updated drivers than nVidia.




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Pemalite said:

That's my point completely.
The 13.11 revision 5 isn't used on all prior AMD cards.

Which is because of time constraints.
In Anand's bench it's even worse with some cards probably still using numbers from cat 12.10~
It's still no different than how Anand treats nVidia cards generally, just AMD cards seem to always benefit more (From a performance perspective) from updated drivers than nVidia.

They used the 13.11 revision 1 for all the others AMD cards... or not? That's what I get from the review... the 13.11 revision 5 is the driver that AMD sent to use in 290X review.



Solid-Stark said:

Come on, CGI. It seems like you are willingly overlooking Captain_Tom's whole point. Sure his original claim perhaps holds only half truth (doesn't necessarily thrash the Titan). The 290X is AMD's competitor against the Nvidia's Titan; most sites I have looked at have the 290X above the Titan in most practical situations. If we are to give the benefit of the doubt to the Titan, then the best argument would be putting the Titan and 290X equivalent (even split across different tests). Fine. Where things get exciting is that the 290X is only $550, $450 less than the Titan.That is a huge cross chop to the back of the neck of Nvidia and it's fanboys. AMD is pushing so we never see $1000 single GPU BS for enthusiasts again.This is where Captain_Toms point holds some truth, and why every review site is praising AMD's new entry.

And LOL at the guy wanting to go from a Titan to a 290X.



Well yeah thanks lol!  I mean it doesn't beat the Titan by 20% or anything, but it does match its performance, and at resolutions that matter it does soundly beat it.  For me price/performance is all that matters, and in that respect it is absolutely the craziest defeat I have ever seen...



Rumors about it...

http://fudzilla.com/home/item/32943-geforce-gtx-780-ti-to-end-up-faster-than-titan

I think the full GK110 is coming.