| SxyxS said: karma is based on the principles of cause and effect.It makes it easier to reach awareness,to get independent,to grow up because there is no god you can hide behind and who can be missused as excuse for the own evil intention. Several Bhuddism teachings were acceppted by modern western psychologist as very useful. Abrahams God is based too much on arbritrariness(especially the muslim version). A strange god who first was a racist(preferring jews as chosen people) unfair(abandoning them all for worshipping this golden cow-thing,though not all of them has worshipped the golden bull) jealous(demanding people to sacrifice their children for him)merciless(punishing all egytians for the sins of few) blasphemic(pretending to be more powerfull than chuck norris) illogical(claiming to be almighty but unable to create a being that is more powerfull than he is) in the sequel(bible nt) god abraham improved his behaviour,sent his son to forgive all our sins(but the positive effect of this isn't really working)sacrificed his own son(therefore judas and the jews can't be blamed for the death of jesus as it was gods plan to let his son die.they only did what he wanted to happen. in the third part-quran(similar to movies where the third part is usually the worst by far) he sent a pedophile,massmurdering prophet whose hobbies were making war,enslaving non-muslim people(this tradition is still alive in sudan)killing jews and calling them sons of pigs and apes. This time he changed even his name to Allah and he turned into a merciless guy who was just interessted in ruling the world. comparing these facts i'd slightly tend to say that karma is better somehow. comparing karma with the teachings of jesus i'd say they are equal. |
Faith in humanity restored. Great post. When I raise my kid I want him to understand cause and effect.. not cause and redirect. Fully agree.
Slimebeast said:
Not just thumping the bible, but partly. The second sentence is what you describe as bible thumping, yes, and it's actually the core of Christianity, to claim that Christ is God. Yes, it could be described as bible thumping, but there's nothing wrong with that, it works that way. The Good News spread that way. My first sentence though, has to do with what I think is the interesting part. Our search for truth. I am making a point about it, because I'm not primarily interested in comparing ideologies and beliefs and try to determine which is "better" for mankind by some contemporary, humanistic standards. I am interested in truth. And a Karmic worldview just doesn't make any sense. The belief in karmic justice, that if somebody does wrong to you, "you let the world sort it out" is idiocy to me, because it's not just childish, but unlikely and unlogical, and so therefore it just can't be true, and that's why in my opinion it ultimately doesn't matter much, if any, if the belief in karmic justice by some measure causes people to behave in a "good" or "better" way than any other worldview. |
well this thread isn't about truth. If anything, it's about faith: not wanting to know what is true. But it's not about that either.
| DJEVOLVE said: science did more then both. |
Too true. However, With the exception of the scientific method, science isn't a good behavioral compass. Though you could argue that karma and abrahamic foundings are unnecessary for becoming a decent person.
Weird question. These two concepts aren't even in the same category.
| Jay520 said: Weird question. These two concepts aren't even in the same category. |
what makes you say they are different?
By the definition of the word "more," it's fairly obvious that belief in the God of Abraham has done more, simply because more people believe in him than have ever believed in Karma. Far more acts of "goodness" can be attributed to believers in God simply because there are more of them that have done good acts. The same can be applied to be evil question as well. Far more people have done evil in the name of the God of Abraham (regardless of whether their beliefs are well placed or not), because there are far more believers.
It's simple counting, really.
| MTZehvor said: By the definition of the word "more," it's fairly obvious that belief in the God of Abraham has done more, simply because more people believe in him than have ever believed in Karma. Far more acts of "goodness" can be attributed to believers in God simply because there are more of them that have done good acts. The same can be applied to be evil question as well. Far more people have done evil in the name of the God of Abraham (regardless of whether their beliefs are well placed or not), because there are far more believers. It's simple counting, really. |
I don't believe you can say there's more chritians than people who believe in karma. Half of the world believes in karma. Even christians. It's a common philosophy in all of asia and india too. I don't have hard numbers and you make a valid point. I'm just saying, that's my understanding.
No concept has ever volunteered at the local soup kitchen or given a donation to the needy as far as I'm aware.
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