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NJ5 on 08 February 2008
Grey Acumen said:
NJ5 said:
 

If we're talking about being arrogant, I think those two things have everything to do with each other. You think God is an all-supreme infinitely wise being, yet you still think you're wise enough to know what he does or how/why he does it? If that's not being arrogant, I don't know what is really...

 

then apparently, you don't know what arrogance is.

that's like saying that just because you're talking to someone who is able to do any math problem, that you can't figure out how he does a few of teh simpler problems without it beign arrogance.

that's a lot different then demanding that person do your math homework for you, simply because he can do any math problem. That's arrogance.

 


http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/arrogant

I think their definition #1 fits perfectly into what I was saying.

 



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kergeten on 08 February 2008

I was wondering if you'd arrive Kazadoom, My mom says santa comes every christmas and brings toys in flying sled pulled by raindear, who doesnt believe it is calling my momy a liar and deserves to be shot, hanged, burned to the stake and burn in hell for all eternity. Where excatly are getting at kazadoom? Do you want me to quote the Coran or the Mahabarata and prove their point of view as absolute?

I'm sure you're a nice man deep inside but you should just open your eyes and see the world for what it is, and it isnt the wolrd of god, whether its good or bad, beatifull or ugly, fair or unfair, at best its the wolrd of the hman mind.



kergeten on 08 February 2008
sienster said:
chriscox1121 said:
@ O_o Why more people are saying there is no God is because, we are getting more and more into the last days. But, just like the gentlemen stated earlier Romans 1. We will all give an account and none will stand without excuse. Everyone will give an account for the deeds done in the body. Rev. 20. You look at Israel on a map and see how small and insignifcant it is. But, yet this whole world revolves around Israel. News Media eats up anything that goes on in Israel. You look at Bible prophecy in the book of Dan. I think Ch. 2 & 7. Then compare with Revelations. They go hand and hand and were prophesied years ago, but today we see all of the things written in the Holy Scriptures coming to pass. Not one thing is being left out and won't be left out. Remember in the Word concerning the coming of the Lord. Matt. 24. It shall be like the days of Noah. In the days of the Noah the Bible said the earth was filled with violence. This world is out of control and heading down a dark path of destruction. The coalition of ezekiel 38 is starting to accumulate and the signs of the times have never been so prevalent. You do some reading on RFID and see if it doesn't fall in line with Rev. 13. Which was prophesied 2000 years ago. The problem is that everyone on the website that is not a true Christian is nothing more than God Haters. It's natural, you are born with enmity with God. It's not until you have been changed by his marvelous light that you can truly understand Christianity. Thats why he said if you seek me. You will find me. We don't seek him enough. You guys spend more time trying to disprove God, which will never happen. (Science only proves even more theres a God). Than to truly seek him out with an open heart. If you don't have an open heart you will never find Him

 

Very, very, very, very well said!

The only thing I'll add is that, if you do believe in God and it turns out that there is none, what have you lost?  On the other hand, if you don't believe in God and it turns out there is one, you're screwed.

So basically you have a ton of people willing to bet their souls that there is no God because one of the deadly sins - Pride!

 They refuse to think that some entity is above them, therefore they refute all the evidence. 


This argument is one of the stupidest in existence as you are suggestig that we all worship the relgoin with the worst punsihemnts for lack faith just to be on the safe side, BTW to which form of christianity where you reffering exactly?



yog-sothot on 08 February 2008

I did not even read the post : the existence of god is not a scientific question but a metaphysical one. No one can answear it. You may believe i God or not, that's all, nobody can honestly say he "knows" that god exist or not...



sienster on 08 February 2008
kergeten said:
sienster said:
chriscox1121 said:
@ O_o Why more people are saying there is no God is because, we are getting more and more into the last days. But, just like the gentlemen stated earlier Romans 1. We will all give an account and none will stand without excuse. Everyone will give an account for the deeds done in the body. Rev. 20. You look at Israel on a map and see how small and insignifcant it is. But, yet this whole world revolves around Israel. News Media eats up anything that goes on in Israel. You look at Bible prophecy in the book of Dan. I think Ch. 2 & 7. Then compare with Revelations. They go hand and hand and were prophesied years ago, but today we see all of the things written in the Holy Scriptures coming to pass. Not one thing is being left out and won't be left out. Remember in the Word concerning the coming of the Lord. Matt. 24. It shall be like the days of Noah. In the days of the Noah the Bible said the earth was filled with violence. This world is out of control and heading down a dark path of destruction. The coalition of ezekiel 38 is starting to accumulate and the signs of the times have never been so prevalent. You do some reading on RFID and see if it doesn't fall in line with Rev. 13. Which was prophesied 2000 years ago. The problem is that everyone on the website that is not a true Christian is nothing more than God Haters. It's natural, you are born with enmity with God. It's not until you have been changed by his marvelous light that you can truly understand Christianity. Thats why he said if you seek me. You will find me. We don't seek him enough. You guys spend more time trying to disprove God, which will never happen. (Science only proves even more theres a God). Than to truly seek him out with an open heart. If you don't have an open heart you will never find Him

 

Very, very, very, very well said!

The only thing I'll add is that, if you do believe in God and it turns out that there is none, what have you lost?  On the other hand, if you don't believe in God and it turns out there is one, you're screwed.

So basically you have a ton of people willing to bet their souls that there is no God because one of the deadly sins - Pride!

 They refuse to think that some entity is above them, therefore they refute all the evidence. 


This argument is one of the stupidest in existence as you are suggestig that we all worship the relgoin with the worst punsihemnts for lack faith just to be on the safe side, BTW to which form of christianity where you reffering exactly?


I believe in God because of all of the evidence, not because I'm afraid of any consequence.  I was simply pointing out that if I'm wrong - there's no loss for me.



 

 

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kergeten on 08 February 2008

A subject of thought for everyone! What good has religion ever done exclusively ( meaning that it did before anyone else and despite everone else) and without outside influences. Hard to think huh?
Now what bad has religion ever done? Hmmm, sorry I don't have all night to write a post on that matter.



inyourmind on 08 February 2008
kazadoom said:
Psalms 14:1 "The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good."

If you do not believe in God, then you are a fool. No sense in going on. Try to disprove His existence, try to disprove the Bible, I dare you, and not through some stupid comments on a website, do it yourself. Try to prove it is all bull, go ahead because you cannot. One day you will find out that it is true, I just pray that you find out before it is too late.

There is one God, and there is only one way to Him, His son Jesus Christ.

I personally do not care what you believe or what I believe because truth is not determine on what you and I believe, truth is truth wether you believe it or not. Do you really think that the God of this universe exists only if we believe He does, or does not because you do not believe He does, what a fool you are.

Matthew 5:22
Whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. 

mr-money on 08 February 2008

Great analysis in the first post, but I'll make it a lot simpler.

 

Just look at how everything in your life happens for a reason. When you really start to look at yourself deeply, and you really start talking to God, things will start to happen, and you'll realise the truth.

 

Hardships will be seen from 2008-2012. Billions will die. But it's all for a purpose: to make us understand that we are incapable or ruling ourselves, and that we should put faith into God. There are a lot of common assholes who just disrespect God and all religious people like some kind of sport. These people will need to see the mayhem in front of their eyes and will need to see the reality of death in order for them to really understand. It's very easy to disregard God right now, so I don't even blame those nonbelievers, but believe me, you will get it soon.



mr-money on 08 February 2008

[Apologies for double post]



redspear on 08 February 2008

One day the man in Flatland is visited by a sphere. The sphere is a three-dimensional object just as we are, and it just so happens that it crosses Flatland right in the man's living room. Now if you will think about that for a moment, you will realize that for the man in Flatland a rather incredible thing has happened. A dot appears on the man's floor with no cause that the man in Flatland can understand. A dot in Flatland is matter! In figure 1, the man, himself, is made up of a series of dots. Just as a tennis ball dipped in paint and touched to a sheet of paper would produce a dot on the paper, so too has our dot which the man in Flatland calls matter appeared out of nothing (see figure 2). As the man in Flatland watches, the dot becomes a circle which continuously grows in size (see figure 3). You will see if a plane truncates (or slices) a sphere, it will produce a circle; and the deeper the sphere sinks into the plane, the larger the circle will become.

A lot of thought went into the OP and while it was fairly intelligent it was also very flawed. All matter contains information. The concept of microreversibility is based off of this. In fact information is limited by matter. the number of calculations that could be done per second by a computer is limited to its mass but we are far ways from even getting close to achieving that. The universe as a whole is impossible to fully catorgize since it would take the whole Universe to conatin the information. This does not prove the existence of god in any way. It only proves that the universe works this way the rest of the of the post is inductive reasoning it adds assumptions to meet the original proof.

The point of the article snipet from flatland is not to prove god exists either but to show that if god does exist we could never see the whole thing. If god were the sphere all you would every see is a dot or a circle. You would never be able to prove definitively it was a sphere(unless your name is euler) or just a growing circle.

To me God doesn't have to be proved since I don't think he could but I also do believe in god. I however can understand the veiwpoints of people who do not. I can understand that people do not see the neccesaty of an afterlife and I do not find it sad. In fact I do not even think it is a lonely thought. You live your life for your goals or the betterment fo others around you or however you want.

I think it is very important to be happy with the life you have and not spend your life chasing solely for the selfish reason of how people tellyou to get to heavan. Case in point I asked a nun once what if you are wrong and their is no god. She said well if I am wrong and there is no afterlife than I will never know and I am still happy with the life I have now. That to me is true faith. One that I respect.