That increase the number, no?

Like some dude just pay 3 months per year... I think it count like a user lol

So you think they are lower? That doesn't bode well to convince the masses to accept a paywall. This will take years, but i Imagine itll pick up like 360 did.

You do know that these are guesstimates you people are arguing about?

I really have no idea why you think this when the competition offers an even more substantive paywall. 

People were arguing in this thread? Where?

Well, for example one person pays 8$ per month or whatever, that's 96 dollars a year, that's enough for almost 2 people with yearly subs. So if 10% pays month to month, then that 10% eats 10% away from the total, or 250k users.

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Did you forget where we are?

These same analyst estimated that Sony needs over 1 million for profit with Plus... so I think the number was really lower than that but these $140m are estimates making what I'm pointing lol pointless.

I agree that with PS4 the number of subscribers will increase a lot but like 360 showed more than half of the user base didn't play online games.

I don't love Sony for it, but I am a rational person who understands that business is business.  With rising costs on online infrastructure and game budgets, they gotta make their money somewhere.  I'm not going to boycott it like some have stated, because I want to play games so I have to pay.

But then again, I am not one of the Sony fanboys that hated on MS for Live.  Sure I thought PSN was a bargain (I really don't need cross chat and likely won't use it in the future), but I also understood that Live offered a more cohesive experience.  I even had a subscription for 3+ years on my brother's 360 just to play Halo on my own account while he played his during multiplayer.  We did use cross chat here and there, but more so because my brother is more of a social gamer than me.

I think a lot of Sony fans that are in the middle ground like me will be disappointed to have one more bill, but they will understand why and welcome the added value of the service instead of harp on Sony's shift.  That doesn't make me (or any of them) a hypocrite.  It makes me a realist.  As for those fanboys who clearly hated on Live but had an about-face over PS4's policy changes, I don't give Sony's marketing credit.  Fanboys are blind with fanboyism so they'd eat up anything their system of choice (PS3/4 or 360/1) shit out.

Does not compute?

Firstly, I don't consider $10 substantive. But also its the idea of the dozens of millions of PS gamers who spent their lives feeling entitled that multiplayer should be free. It is a tough battle because offering a lot of free games won't be enough to change their minds based on principle. This will take time, and will get to a point where they must choose between principle and the awesome PS4 games. Games will win out, they always do, but it will take time for transition purposes.

The Xbox crowd is used to it, and anybody going in is expecting it. The PS crowd is still by and large, new to it all. I am suspicious that the average gamer who doesn't follow internet gaming news, is even aware that PS4 online requires PS Plus.

Ahh. I see the arguing now.