I am not going to try to predict what an HD remake of a Zelda title that had mixed opinions when it was released, is going to have on the sale of the Wii U.  What I do know is, saleswise, Elder Scrolls is a bigger IP with gamers at this point, in regards to meme generation and sales.  Zelda is still a storied franchise and know, but the buzz is not on the same level as Elder Scrolls.

I'm impressed this thread is still going, as it seemed to me to just be a case of argumentum verbosium. If johnlucas has a valid argument it would be more interesting if put concisely, as it wouldn't require searching through all that text for his actual point.

Wind Waker HD may just outsell the first game or at least match it at 2.4 million

I agree, right now it seems to be based on situations that happened 20 years ago? It's ridiculous really. No actual analysis or in depth predictions. I asked him for US figures for the holidays (so we can accurately guage how far out he'll be) but nothing so far.

Sure, Ill go find the shareholders meeting transcript for you.

These guys say a lot of things, If you compile the factual information from everyone in the industry it gives you a pretty clear outlook on where they are at the moment ( Sony,MS,Nintendo,Phones,PC,Valve,ect) and where they might head if events play out in certain manner ( I have 4-5 scenarious bouncing in my head right now)

Especially when you take a look at the facts that JL has compiled together

Although most of them need more modification than the way he's using them to back up his viewpont

Amazon could make a difference but I have a feeling microconsoles may not have any lasting growth.

I dont like Virtual reality, but I think it might be something Microsoft may use to sell people on Kinect.

Pikmin 3 helped keep sales above 10k for 5 weeks in japan, before the Vita had a bump.  US had a minor bump.

Then Jojo came out the following week, two weeks later everyone was simply "screw Jojo"

The way I see it, their is no point to being a fanboy, if Nintendo is truly the vanguard of the industry, they will prove it with time despite their mistakes and get the respect they "deserve".  They dont need me white knighting or defending them on message boards. Wont do anything for me or them. NIntendo's success is always on them and what it is they do, nobody else, when they've done everything they can and played all their cards, they'll be fine. They cant manage their resources improperly from this point on either. They need momentum and they're getting serious, Iwata's boldness is telling me this, he tied his salary to the success of Nintendo after all, and he did cut his paycheck 50% in the 3DS nacent state. He's committed.  The way most people argue over this stuff its clear that they dont have all the facts

Same goes for Sony and MS

@Seece,  I suspect JL isnt answering you because the WiiU in his words will "mirror" the 3DS. As you can see the 3DS, is able to approach DS numbers because its doing very well in Japan and quite a bit lower everywhere else

The most important territory for the WiiU is  Japan despites the better numbers in the US. Nintendo also keeps undershipping things hindering their retail presence in smaller places, thats no good. (It seems very sporadic, like the mall/bestbuy/gamestop has great allocation in my area but its pure crap in the next city over)

Well, 3DS is still very weak overall compared to DS, it'll do very well this holiday but it'll never reach the insane heights DS reached in Europe and NA.

I wouldn't say Japan is the most important region for WiiU, because it's increasingly becoming less console moreso than before. Wii reached 13m~ there, compare that to 45m in NA and 35m in Europe. There isn't any room for growth. I agree it's the most likely place it can see a resurgance tho, the western world will be fixated on Xbox One and PS4 this coming gen tho.

Weird no responses from the graphics lovers, in case you missed it, top of page 33. Also, i edited my response because i realized there's more to come, so I'll add a second smaller wave of info soon.

The specs aren't just for graphics.  If you want to know what, you seriously need to think about it.

The specs arent going to do much, its just a wider toolset that is available across the board.. Its all about the GPU/CPU poolshare and reactive in game physics that can do more complex interaction,

You can chalk it up to marketing spiel

So are we just going to go back to pretending the PS4 is more powerful? I don't mind, it won't be long until it's clear that the Wii U has much better specs than anything we've seen before. Especially relative to the competition