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Anfebious on 11 September 2013

Your posts inspire me Sir!



"I've Underestimated the Horse Power from Mario Kart 8, I'll Never Doubt the WiiU's Engine Again"

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ASStronaut on 11 September 2013
Gamerace said:
ASStronaut said:
This is an excellent thread John Lucas.
I hope everything you predict comes to fruition.

Odd statement coming from someone with a 360 gamer tag.

You realize JL is basing WiiU's success on the assumption that PS4/PS3/XB1/360/PC and mobile gaming at large all collapse totally leaving Nintendo as the lone player (which is not a healthy environment for game developers)

It sounds crazy but I like it.

The only game I enjoyed on my Xbox 360 was Halo Combat Evolved Anniversary for nostalgic reasons. The rest are meh. Even GTA screwed it up. I hope they get it right with GTA 5 so I can at least enjoy one more game on the 360 before I go strictly Wii U.



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Seece on 11 September 2013
johnlucas said:
Seece said:
johnlucas said:

Wii U WILL BE THE LEADER of the 8th Generation Consoles BY FAR. It will outsell the XBox One & PlayStation 4 HANDILY throughout the generation.
And should The Revolution go as planned, this will be the LAST CONSOLE WAR between Nintendo, Sony, & Microsoft.
Wii U obtains what was denied to Wii. Wii U at last becomes EVERYBODY'S CONSOLE. Oh & you want a number? Here's one for you: 12 million Wii U's sold by December 31, 2013.
Here's another: 35 million Wii U's sold by December 31, 2014.
Here's one more: 60 million Wii U's sold by December 31, 2015.
And one more for the road: 240 million LIFETIME Wii U sales.

Well, no is all I have to say to that. WiiU becomes everybody's console? I can't even ....

WiiU does NOT appeal to the core, it doesn't and won't have full third party support, if you want to see how important that is, look at PS3 and 360 sales, they will come close/overtake lifetime Wii sales, and those sales are to 90% plus regular gamers.

Wii sold mainly to casuals and it was the IT product of its time, nout wrong with that but don't go painting it like it was the gamers choice, that was PS360.

This time around they're not even appealing to the casuals, exactly what is going to be the catalyst in the great turn around for WiiU this holiday? It's frankly embarassing you expect 8 milion shipped from now to the end of the year.


Seece Seece Seece.
You have been brainwashed by marketing terms.
There is NO SUCH THING as a Casual Gamer.
There is NO SUCH THING as a Hardcore Gamer.

There are people who may play a game casually.
There are people who may play a game hardcore.
But those terms create a false stereotype that make you reduce real audiences to caricatures.

Casual = 30-something Soccer Mom with the minivan in the suburbs.
Hardcore = 18-year old College-Age Male who lives off of Mountain Dew & Cheez-Its.

No, it's BS. It's pure BULL (I wish I could say the real word).
I myself play with a group of 40, 50, 60 year olds on the game Animal Crossing: City Folk (& now New Leaf).
They play this game HARDCORE. Heavy players. REALLY into it. They play everyday or just about everyday for hours at a time.

On the same token there are some young 20-something year old males who play Madden casually.
They don't invest much time into the strategy & skill level. They just play for laughs every now & then.

But the "cartoony" game is supposed to be Casual & the "realistic" game is supposed to Hardcore, right?
And by extension the players of the "cartoony" game are Casual & the players of the "realistic" game are Hardcore, that's how it goes?

Hell, Animal Crossing is more based in realism than the football fantasy known as Madden.
In Animal Crossing I got to worry about paying a mortgage.
It doesn't get more adult than that!
Almost every little boy fantasized about being a football player when he grew up.
Ranked right up there with Fireman & Astronaut.

Wii didn't sell to "casuals". It sold to EVERYBODY.
It sold to EVERYBODY who wasn't brainwashed by those stupid Casual/Hardcore labels.
This didn't exist in the days of the Atari 2600 & the NES.
We played everything & anything. As long as it was fun.

Nintendo IS the Core. The Core, the Heart, & the Soul of the Videogame Industry.

The PS360 wouldn't even have the not-yet 80 million sales in 8 years time that they have had they not emulated the REAL Gamer's Choice, the Wii.
I watched the sales numbers for years. I saw it. Their sales DOUBLED after they mimicked Nintendo's direction.
That's why Kinect & Move exist. That's why Microsoft's Blades became Avatars. That's why Kevin Butler was created to promote Sony as "all about the games" when they used to be all about the Blu-ray.

Just meet me here at the end of the year.
Meet me here this time next year.
I want to hear your reaction then.
John Lucas

Oh likewise, because you've still not explained what is going to turn around the WiiU, just a bunch of hot air. It's not going to ship 8 million in the last 3 months, it's laughable.

Move did not doublee PS3 numbers, are you freaking kidding? And 360 catapulted when the Slim released, the Kinect was popular yes, but it just gave the 360 an extended life. (nothing to do with copying Nintendo, since when did Wii have a camera and controller less gaming?)

When I use core and casual I use them in absoloute basic terms, I realise their are many subsections of gamers. The truth is though that the "gamers" the Wii attracted to are the weakest and least loyal of the lot and have moved onto Smartphones and tablets. The ones that stuck around for PS360 are not interested in WiiU, it does NOT offer what they want, third prty games, decent online, tech.

Why don't you outline, without all the uneccesery hyperbole, what exactly is going to turn WiiU around this holiday?

I guarantee you thought WiiU was going to bolt out of the gate, shame you didn't predict sooner so you could be proven wrong and put this nonsense to bed.



 

nin10do on 11 September 2013

I'll do it!

Games!

Also, JL, watch it, I like Cheeze-Itz!



trixiemafia86 on 11 September 2013

Bookers need to include the video game industry in their betting markets.
Imagine placing a bet with odds of 30,000/1 on Wii U selling 240 million and winning it.



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Diend on 11 September 2013

I joined just to tell you this is a excellent article you really shined some light on some things I felt were not quite right.



richardhutnik on 11 September 2013
trixiemafia86 said:

Bookers need to include the video game industry in their betting markets.
Imagine placing a bet with odds of 30,000/1 on Wii U selling 240 million and winning it.

Vegas might be a good place for this.  I went to hunt down the link to intrade, which is a prediction market, and see they have run into legal troubles:

http://www.intrade.com/v4/home/

Outside of legally, there is nothing that prevents someone from doing a prediction market for videogame stuff.  I can fire off a message ot ioi to see if Brett would want to run one here.

A thread to discuss the idea is here:

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=168269



Gamerace on 11 September 2013
ASStronaut said:
Gamerace said:
ASStronaut said:
This is an excellent thread John Lucas.
I hope everything you predict comes to fruition.

Odd statement coming from someone with a 360 gamer tag.

You realize JL is basing WiiU's success on the assumption that PS4/PS3/XB1/360/PC and mobile gaming at large all collapse totally leaving Nintendo as the lone player (which is not a healthy environment for game developers)

It sounds crazy but I like it.

The only game I enjoyed on my Xbox 360 was Halo Combat Evolved Anniversary for nostalgic reasons. The rest are meh. Even GTA screwed it up. I hope they get it right with GTA 5 so I can at least enjoy one more game on the 360 before I go strictly Wii U.


Actually I'm in the same boat.  Was excited (but ultimately disappointed) to play Mass Effect and Dragon's Age on 360.   Aside from a little Batman and some sports games with my step-son I never use it.    Maybe for GTA V.

I've no interest in WiiU though.



 

TheLastStarFighter on 11 September 2013

This thread is pure awesomeness. Love reading the posts.



richardhutnik on 11 September 2013
Gamerace said:
ASStronaut said:
Gamerace said:
ASStronaut said:
This is an excellent thread John Lucas.
I hope everything you predict comes to fruition.

Odd statement coming from someone with a 360 gamer tag.

You realize JL is basing WiiU's success on the assumption that PS4/PS3/XB1/360/PC and mobile gaming at large all collapse totally leaving Nintendo as the lone player (which is not a healthy environment for game developers)

It sounds crazy but I like it.

The only game I enjoyed on my Xbox 360 was Halo Combat Evolved Anniversary for nostalgic reasons. The rest are meh. Even GTA screwed it up. I hope they get it right with GTA 5 so I can at least enjoy one more game on the 360 before I go strictly Wii U.


Actually I'm in the same boat.  Was excited (but ultimately disappointed) to play Mass Effect and Dragon's Age on 360.   Aside from a little Batman and some sports games with my step-son I never use it.    Maybe for GTA V.

I've no interest in WiiU though.

In the 1980s, when the videogame market crashed, and left Atari with just the 2600, the market shrunk like 90%.  John Lucas presumes market collapses, and companies leave, but the demand remains near the same level.  240 million is around what we have now with all 3 systems.  NO WAY will the market be at 240 million lifetime sold, if Nintendo is only one left.  That is what contraction means.  It means a smaller market, and less choices.  People rooting for such a collapse and believing their company of choice will prosper, is playing with fire.  With one company, you WISH that you break 80 million to life sold.  You seriously hope this.