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JoeTheBro on 29 October 2013
MohammadBadir said:
Seece said:
MohammadBadir said:
JoeTheBro said:

I know it's so silly, especially since the PS3 will outsell it eventually.


the only way that would happen is if the PS4 would flop straight on it's face for the first couple of years like what happened with the PS3. in other words, no that's not happening.

It will happen, Sony consoles have fantastic legs and there is no evidence to say PS3 won't. PS2 has been selling millions even during Wii's peak year!!

By the end of this year both PS360 will be a meager 15m away from 100m (which Wii isn't going to grow much from)

MS have said they're aiming for 100 million as well.

the PS2 sold as much as it after the PS3's launch was not just a matter of legs. the PS2 was a much more appealing purchase than the PS3, it was 400$ cheaper, had a humongous game library, as well as many releases still coming (like Persona 4), and was much smaller, more reliable, etc. the PS4 isn't having those problems.

The PS2 sold around 35 million after the PS3 launched. Everything you're saying is true, but the PS3 doesn't need to do as good as it. Less than half is still enough for it to pass wii.

 

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DélioPT on 29 October 2013

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Osc89 on 29 October 2013
DélioPT said:
Still don`t understand why people want Nintendo to go mobile.
The minute they go mobile, their profits will go down. Why buy a Nintendo HW system when they can buy the games on non-Nintendo HW and for less Money.
They would end up losing money on HW and SW aswell.

Not to mention the HDD space needed for their games.


I don't think it would be smart for them to just go mobile, but they could definitely use a new hardware strategy. If they make another console that is as unappealing to the general consumer as the Wii U has been, they would be wise to at least look into a partnership with someone with a good hardware track record.

As it stands their software is very valuable, but poor hardware prevents them from selling it and could diminish the value of the software itself over time.



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DélioPT on 29 October 2013
Osc89 said:
DélioPT said:
Still don`t understand why people want Nintendo to go mobile.
The minute they go mobile, their profits will go down. Why buy a Nintendo HW system when they can buy the games on non-Nintendo HW and for less Money.
They would end up losing money on HW and SW aswell.

Not to mention the HDD space needed for their games.


I don't think it would be smart for them to just go mobile, but they could definitely use a new hardware strategy. If they make another console that is as unappealing to the general consumer as the Wii U has been, they would be wise to at least look into a partnership with someone with a good hardware track record.

As it stands their software is very valuable, but poor hardware prevents them from selling it and could diminish the value of the software itself over time.

Inferior HW never stopped PS1, PS2 and Wii from reaching 100 million in sales.
Wii U is suffering from lack of games and lack of awareness.

Speaking of future HW, my idea is - and this is only an idea - they could make the portable and home console gaming work as one, not by releasing only one console, but by letting the next portable work as an actual gamepad (like Wii U`s gamepad).
Sharing the same tech as the home console (could have more tech, but at least the same as the home console gamepad), would allow for Nintendo to release a SKU with just the actual console for like 200$.

That way it could attract a crowd that is not willing to pay 300-350, but could be swayed to pay 200 for a new portable and a year later, another 200 just for the actual console.
That way it could have the best of two worlds and droughts would - for that specific crowd - would be pretty much non-existant.
Not to mention that you would get a potential userbase of  millions right there for the new console. A bigger crowd than the usual 300-350$ crowd.

At least, this is my dream! :D

In terms of using mobile, there`s always the chance of allowing purchases from VC games on mobiles and then allowing them to download for free if they have a 3DS or Wii U. And who knows, even sharing, between mobile and Nintendo`s HW, save files!



Osc89 on 29 October 2013
DélioPT said:
Osc89 said:
DélioPT said:
Still don`t understand why people want Nintendo to go mobile.
The minute they go mobile, their profits will go down. Why buy a Nintendo HW system when they can buy the games on non-Nintendo HW and for less Money.
They would end up losing money on HW and SW aswell.

Not to mention the HDD space needed for their games.


I don't think it would be smart for them to just go mobile, but they could definitely use a new hardware strategy. If they make another console that is as unappealing to the general consumer as the Wii U has been, they would be wise to at least look into a partnership with someone with a good hardware track record.

As it stands their software is very valuable, but poor hardware prevents them from selling it and could diminish the value of the software itself over time.

Inferior HW never stopped PS1, PS2 and Wii from reaching 100 million in sales.
Wii U is suffering from lack of games and lack of awareness.

Speaking of future HW, my idea is - and this is only an idea - they could make the portable and home console gaming work as one, not by releasing only one console, but by letting the next portable work as an actual gamepad (like Wii U`s gamepad).
Sharing the same tech as the home console (could have more tech, but at least the same as the home console gamepad), would allow for Nintendo to release a SKU with just the actual console for like 200$.

That way it could attract a crowd that is not willing to pay 300-350, but could be swayed to pay 200 for a new portable and a year later, another 200 just for the actual console.
That way it could have the best of two worlds and droughts would - for that specific crowd - would be pretty much non-existant.
Not to mention that you would get a potential userbase of  millions right there for the new console. A bigger crowd than the usual 300-350$ crowd.

At least, this is my dream! :D

In terms of using mobile, there`s always the chance of allowing purchases from VC games on mobiles and then allowing them to download for free if they have a 3DS or Wii U. And who knows, even sharing, between mobile and Nintendo`s HW, save files!


I don't think it's just lack of games and awareness. There is less appeal to the Wii U concept in general when compared with the Wii, and people don't "get it" in the same way when it is shown in advertising.

As for everything else you say, I agree 100%! The hybrid console idea is great, and probably what they are looking into after they merged the hardware teams. And while I agree with the VC on mobiles idea, I don't think many like the idea. I've mentioned it a couple of times, but it tends to get shot down as even a hint of NIntendo games not on a Nintendo platform is seen as pretty terrible. But in the case of the VC, these are old games that won't be making much on the Wii U, but can essentially advertise new games in the franchises by making the old ones available to a wider audience.



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Final-Fan on 29 October 2013
JoeTheBro said:
MohammadBadir said:
Seece said:
MohammadBadir said:
JoeTheBro said:

I know it's so silly, especially since the PS3 will outsell it eventually.

the only way that would happen is if the PS4 would flop straight on it's face for the first couple of years like what happened with the PS3. in other words, no that's not happening.

It will happen, Sony consoles have fantastic legs and there is no evidence to say PS3 won't. PS2 has been selling millions even during Wii's peak year!!

By the end of this year both PS360 will be a meager 15m away from 100m (which Wii isn't going to grow much from)

MS have said they're aiming for 100 million as well.

the PS2 sold as much as it after the PS3's launch was not just a matter of legs. the PS2 was a much more appealing purchase than the PS3, it was 400$ cheaper, had a humongous game library, as well as many releases still coming (like Persona 4), and was much smaller, more reliable, etc. the PS4 isn't having those problems.

The PS2 sold around 35 million after the PS3 launched. Everything you're saying is true, but the PS3 doesn't need to do as good as it. Less than half is still enough for it to pass wii.

I think you may be underestimating what a big difference it makes when a console from the last generation is in the position of clear market leader versus ... not.  Sure, the PS2 sold that many after the next generation came out.  How many did Gamecube and Xbox sell?  The Wii may have run out of steam, but that doesn't necessarily mean that the others will have more momentum than normal. 

Also, half of 35 is already less than the 20 million that PS3 is behind the Wii according to this website.  Less than half is even further away.  And that's ignoring the fact that even if Wii sales have tanked they aren't actually at zero yet.  It will probably limp on for quite some time. 



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JoeTheBro on 29 October 2013
Final-Fan said:
JoeTheBro said:
MohammadBadir said:

the PS2 sold as much as it after the PS3's launch was not just a matter of legs. the PS2 was a much more appealing purchase than the PS3, it was 400$ cheaper, had a humongous game library, as well as many releases still coming (like Persona 4), and was much smaller, more reliable, etc. the PS4 isn't having those problems.

The PS2 sold around 35 million after the PS3 launched. Everything you're saying is true, but the PS3 doesn't need to do as good as it. Less than half is still enough for it to pass wii.

I think you may be underestimating what a big difference it makes when a console from the last generation is in the position of clear market leader versus ... not.  Sure, the PS2 sold that many after the next generation came out.  How many did Gamecube and Xbox sell?  The Wii may have run out of steam, but that doesn't necessarily mean that the others will have more momentum than normal. 

Also, half of 35 is already less than the 20 million that PS3 is behind the Wii according to this website.  Less than half is even further away.  And that's ignoring the fact that even if Wii sales have tanked they aren't actually at zero yet.  It will probably limp on for quite some time. 

PS3 will be at 90 by the end of next week silly head. 90+17.5 > 101



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Seece on 29 October 2013
Final-Fan said:
JoeTheBro said:
MohammadBadir said:

the PS2 sold as much as it after the PS3's launch was not just a matter of legs. the PS2 was a much more appealing purchase than the PS3, it was 400$ cheaper, had a humongous game library, as well as many releases still coming (like Persona 4), and was much smaller, more reliable, etc. the PS4 isn't having those problems.

The PS2 sold around 35 million after the PS3 launched. Everything you're saying is true, but the PS3 doesn't need to do as good as it. Less than half is still enough for it to pass wii.

I think you may be underestimating what a big difference it makes when a console from the last generation is in the position of clear market leader versus ... not.  Sure, the PS2 sold that many after the next generation came out.  How many did Gamecube and Xbox sell?  The Wii may have run out of steam, but that doesn't necessarily mean that the others will have more momentum than normal. 

Also, half of 35 is already less than the 20 million that PS3 is behind the Wii according to this website.  Less than half is even further away.  And that's ignoring the fact that even if Wii sales have tanked they aren't actually at zero yet.  It will probably limp on for quite some time. 

A) PS2 shipped well over 40 million since PS3 released. B) PS3 (and 360) will be at 85 million by the end of the year or there abouts. C) PS3 shipped 13m last FY, is on course for 10m this FY. It gets support, it does well in developing countires. Expecting it to bottom out and tank like Wii did is entirely wishful thinking.



 

Yakuzaice on 29 October 2013
Seece said:

A) PS2 shipped well over 40 million since PS3 released.

To be more specific, it shipped 6.7m the quarter the PS3 launched.  An additional 41.8m from 2007-Mar 2012, and likely several million after they began combining the PS3 and PS2.  So all together, somewhere around 50 million.



Seece on 29 October 2013
Yakuzaice said:
Seece said:

A) PS2 shipped well over 40 million since PS3 released.

To be more specific, it shipped 6.7m the quarter the PS3 launched.  An additional 41.8m from 2007-Mar 2012, and likely several million after they began combining the PS3 and PS2.  So all together, somewhere around 50 million.

Indeed. Massive numbers, even if PS3 only did a third of that, it'd still overtake Wii.