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ArnoldRimmer said:
dsgrue3 said:
Even the religious are turning away from organized religion and are simply unaffiliated with any church.

Churches tend to preach fundamentalism, which is total nonsense and sometimes very harmful.

This is positive direction for the human race.

Actually, the number of members of most big churches is not falling, but growing. While the numbers of members are significantly falling in the rich, western countries, worldwide they're actually increasing. And over the next decades, this trend may even become much stronger.

Many atheists have a very one-sided view of religion etc. They seem to be completely incapable of acknowledging just any positive aspect of religion, churches etc., they're only seeing the negative parts.

Take Nietzsche for example, whom you're so prominently quoting in your sig. If he hadn't been raised in a very religious environment, he most probably wouldn't have become such a remarkable critical thinker.

And just months after he published the the sentences you're quoting, he became a lunatic, incapable of doing almost anything. And once again, it was his religious environment that actually helped him most: It was his own, very religious family, his mother and sister, who got him out of the lunatic asylum and cared for him until he died about a decade later. So Nietzsche himself was actually lucky that his religious family didn't feel the same disgust about touching atheists that Nietzsche claimed about touching religious people.

That actually doesn't surprise me about the maga-churches, but I'd like to see some hard data.

The overwhelming trend is a growth in the unaffiliated group.

It goes on to report nearly a third of people under 30 are unaffiliated. This, to me, makes sense as we are better able to educate people on the absurdities of fundamentalism.

Don't get me wrong, I think there are quality aspects of religion, I just find the indoctrination of children to be quite detrimental to their mental faculties.

Nietzsche had neurosyphalis and dimentia...so I think that pretty much explains his insanity. The dude lived a terrible life. No luck with women and incredibly poor.



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dallas said:

My family are all atheists, sister brother uncles aunts grandparents etc.  This started with my grandad, and his influence has been felt on down. 

Personally I have a big problem with the faiths descended from Abraham for the following reasons:

-Islam - they tend to not care about terrorism or to rationalize it saying that the US, Britain, etc are hurting muslims.  Well we now have to spend much more on the military, CIA, FBI and law enforcement bc of terrorism, and we could be spending that $$$$$ on social programs or whatnot.  I have a big problem with that.

Protestants- they seem to think that bc they are christians and dont do things like drink or smoke weed, that they are superior morally and ethically to other people.  I've known plenty of Christians that pieces of Sh!t that you wouldnt want around your worst enemy, but whatever.  I dislike how they have their morality based on things like drugs, gambling, drinking, etc.  If I want to go to vegas, who the hell am I hurting?

 

Jews- They are kind of butthurt from the holocaust (understandable) but I dislike organized religion so I tend to talk some smack.  I'll talk the same smack about jews that I talk about other religions, and they try to call me some kind of nazi.  Fvck them.  Seriously, they can get over this, they aren't in the same group of minorities as blacks, hispanics, etc bc their level of income has historically been higher than these groups and even of white people on average.  

Catholics- I hate how the Catholics protect their own pedophile preists and just shuffle them around from Church to church and dont kick them out.  I also hate how they dont allow preists to be married, which tends to bring more molestes into the preisthood.  


Although I agree with you I find your narrowing down your "big problem" to the Abrahamic religions rather bias.

In India there are hardline fundamentalist from the Hindu and Sikh religions who fit readily under most of the points you laid out. I have a very good Indian friend who was a victim of their caste system.

The peaceful buddhist are even now becoming less tolerant.

Religions (organised or not) are all the same if the numbers are big enough. You tend to stick with those of the same religion and attack any other religion that is considered a threat. Whether it be Hindus attacking and burning churches in India as a few years back or Buddhist currently attacking Muslims in Myanmar, Burma, India or Sri Lanka.

I am athiest ( agnostic sometimes, who cares ) but I would rather live in a Christian country than a country without religion. The greatest country the world has ever known prospered under religion and seems to be slipping backwards the more it turns it back to it.

Ronald Reagan once said "Freedom prospers when religion (Christianity) is vibrant." I look at America's past and agree to a certain extent.
It is when religions are force to co-exist in the same country with large numbers on each side that problems arise whether they be of Abraham or mystics.

Religion can bring people together for a greater cause more than anything else. It can also tear people apart more than anything else in exsistence, even race.

As for your first point I find it rather odd. The US spent far more (trillions) during the cold war.  The money being spent to fight fight terrorism would still not be spent on social programs but have gone towards building up it's military to compete with the rise of East and resurgence of Russia or some other made-up potential enemy.



justinian said:

 

I am athiest ( agnostic sometimes, who cares ) but I would rather live in a Christian country than a country without religion. The greatest country the world has ever known prospered under religion and seems to be slipping backwards the more it turns it back to it.

Ronald Reagan once said "Freedom prospers when religion (Christianity) is vibrant." I look at America's past and agree to a certain extent.
It is when religions are force to co-exist in the same country with large numbers on each side that problems arise whether they be of Abraham or mystics.

Religion can bring people together for a greater cause more than anything else. It can also tear people apart more than anything else in exsistence, even race.

It's interesting that you think the US is a "christian nation" when it does not endorse any religion as that would violate the 1st amendment. 

This country was founded under secularity and freedom. 

The christianity that you think did lovely things for the country is solely responsible for slavery, racism, and sexism. So it shows a gross ignorance on your behalf that you believe an endorsement in christianity is what the country needs.



dallas said:

My family are all atheists, sister brother uncles aunts grandparents etc.  This started with my grandad, and his influence has been felt on down. 

Personally I have a big problem with the faiths descended from Abraham for the following reasons:

-Islam - they tend to not care about terrorism or to rationalize it saying that the US, Britain, etc are hurting muslims.  Well we now have to spend much more on the military, CIA, FBI and law enforcement bc of terrorism, and we could be spending that $$$$$ on social programs or whatnot.  I have a big problem with that.

Protestants- they seem to think that bc they are christians and dont do things like drink or smoke weed, that they are superior morally and ethically to other people.  I've known plenty of Christians that pieces of Sh!t that you wouldnt want around your worst enemy, but whatever.  I dislike how they have their morality based on things like drugs, gambling, drinking, etc.  If I want to go to vegas, who the hell am I hurting?

 

Jews- They are kind of butthurt from the holocaust (understandable) but I dislike organized religion so I tend to talk some smack.  I'll talk the same smack about jews that I talk about other religions, and they try to call me some kind of nazi.  Fvck them.  Seriously, they can get over this, they aren't in the same group of minorities as blacks, hispanics, etc bc their level of income has historically been higher than these groups and even of white people on average.  

Catholics- I hate how the Catholics protect their own pedophile preists and just shuffle them around from Church to church and dont kick them out.  I also hate how they dont allow preists to be married, which tends to bring more molestes into the preisthood.  

I'm Catholic and I agree with what you are saying about the Roman Catholic church.  It's a horrible organization that has done and supported horrible acts.  That doesn't necessarily mean that Christianity or even Chatholic Christian belief is a bad thing, but the organization is rather terrible it seems.

Some of your other opinions are a little iffy though.  Especially the Jewish one, since you're not talking about Judaism but rather Jewish people.  I'm not sure if you understand that a Jew is an ethnic background as well as a religion.  It makes you sound a bit racist and petty.  It's the attitude that allowed things like the holocaust to happen.  "Yeah, we're picking on them, but their rich so it's OK".  No, it's not.



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I'm an agnostic Athiest, my father's family is catholic and my mother's protestant. I don't make absolute conclusions, such as: "I dislike organized religion." I've seen both good and bad from organized religion.



Religion is for weak ppl that need something to hold on to cause they cant accept truth



Politics and monetarism are our modern religions. Theyre .not any better than trad. Religion. But at least we dont havevto deal with creationism bs and crappy ceremonies now and then



DieAppleDie said:
Politics and monetarism are our modern religions. Theyre .not any better than trad. Religion. But at least we dont havevto deal with creationism bs and crappy ceremonies now and then


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