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Has anyone else noticed this or is it just me?

It seems like every time a thread really gets interesting, the mods lock the thread and/or prohibit future discussion of the interesting topic. Usually it occurs when someone gets called out on their shit as a user. Admittedly, sometimes these “discussions” become heated and offensive, and thus they should be locked. But sometimes they are peaceful, accurate and can actually benefit the community. I'll give you two examples of when mods often disrupt interesting discussions: (1) when a discussion gets off-topc, and (2) when a discussion gets very emotional.

When a discussion gets off-topic

One time, I called out a guy for being disingenuous behavior and hypocritical. Of course he denied it. Thus, a reasonable debate ensued. Eventually, I caught him in a trap and I provided irrefutable evidence to confirm my assertions. My opponent was in a deep hole and there would be no way for him to escape. He would either have to admit his bad behavior, or he would have to leave the thread to avoid shame. Both of these would be good things for the community, but as soon as I caught him in a corner, a mod came in to save his ass by claiming the discussion was off-topic. The user was saved; he ended the debate without admitting defeat.

I understand that off-topic discussions are usually bad. However, that doesn’t mean the mods should automatically stop every single off-topic discussion. Sure, they are against the rules, but, as we all know, rules are patently flawed in certain scenarios. The moderators shouldn’t just go around enforcing rules without considering the context. A moderator’s fundamental duty should always be to help the overall community and to discourage things that harm the overall community. That’s really all that needs to be said.

Following this line of thinking, sometimes certain actions will improve the overall health of the community, even if they break some more minor rules. For example, if an active and aggressive user is being deliberately disingenuous and hypocritical (which obviously harms the overall community), then it makes sense that mods would allow the community to peacefully confront this user whenever he exercises the behavior. Sure, this would cause an off-topic discussion, which is a bit harmful. But think about the overall picture: after effectively confronting this user, you decrease the chances of him continuing his harmful behavior, since he knows he will be called out whenever he does it. And I think it’s fair to say that constant, aggressive, hypocritical behavior is much worse than off-topic discussions. Therefore, it makes sense to eliminate the former, even if it means allowing the latter.

When a discussion gets emotional

Mods also tend to lock threads or give out moderations when a user gets too passionate. Let's take Ned for example. Sometimes Ned gets too emotional with his debates, to the point that he breaks a few rules. In most cases I would agree that Ned should be moderated or the thread should be locked; such as when Ned obviously isn't serious/honest and just wants to troll, or when the person he's debating with is obviously offended. But sometimes Ned gets in a debate and gets owned repeatedly and repeatedly, while the other guy isn't offended at all . In these cases, I don’t think the discussion should be disrupted at all, even if Ned breaks a few rules.

Why? Because getting owned in a debate can oftentimes be a bigger punishment that any moderation. Oftentimes, when someone is obviously losing a debate, they will subconciously try to get themselves banned to avoid admitting defeat, only to return days/weeks after the debate with the same attitude they left with. Had Ned not be banned, and he's an honest & serious debater, then he would dig himself a deeper and deeper hole; and would eventually have to admit he was wrong, or abandon the thread (which is sort of like admitting defeat too). Both of these are willful actions and it means Ned acknowledges that he was wrong. This is unlike being banned where Ned is forced to leave against his will. In this case, he may still feel he won the debate, even if he knew he broke the rules. Clearly, if Ned acknowledges that he lost a debate, he would be more likely to reform his behavior/arguments to prevent it from happening again. This is good. (Remember, this is if Ned is an honest & serious debater. If not, then band him immediately).

TL:DR

Mods need to base their actions on the overall health of the forum. Everything they do should be to improve the community, while deterring things which harm the community. Don’t blindly enforce every single rule without considering the context, because sometimes doing so will harm the community more than it helps. This doesn’t seem to be an unreasonable request, and is one that I think everyone would agree on. It’s impossible to create an absolutely perfect set of rules, so it makes no sense to treat them as if they are perfect. Realize that in some contexts, the rules are simply wrong.



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Ive seen you in threads calling out people. All you manage to do is derail the thread. Either go to a mod or private message that person. From what I have seen your behavior is no better than the people you go after.

If anything the mods isnt following the rules by warning/banning you for derailing the way you do in those type of discussions.




       

JayWood2010 said:

All you manage to do is derail the thread. 


Link?



Jay520 said:
JayWood2010 said:

Ive seen you in threads calling out people. All you manage to do is derail the thread. Either go to a mod or private message that person. From what I have seen your behavior is no better than the people you go after.

If anything the mods isnt following the rules by warning/banning you for derailing the way you do in those type of discussions.


Link?

Im not going to go searching through threads for links.  Not only is it a waste of time but you also know what i am talking about.  You like to call people out and always manage to derail the thread when you do.  The last time i seen you do it was with Kowenicki a week or two ago.  As soon as the mods stepped in you put on your wall about how mods get in the way of you owning people (As weirdly as that sounds.  It is a forum).

EDIT: July 18th




       

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JayWood2010 said:

Im not going to go searching through threads for links.  Not only is it a waste of time but you also know what i am talking about.  You like to call people out and always manage to derail the thread when you do.  The last time i seen you do it was with Kowenicki a week or two ago.  As soon as the mods stepped in you put on your wall about how mods get in the way of you owning people (As weirdly as that sounds.  It is a forum).

@Bold Are you stalking me?

I believe you. I just wanted to know which specific thread you were talking about. Now that I know, I can tell you that derailing in that case wasn't wrong.



Jay520 said:
JayWood2010 said:

Im not going to go searching through threads for links.  Not only is it a waste of time but you also know what i am talking about.  You like to call people out and always manage to derail the thread when you do.  The last time i seen you do it was with Kowenicki a week or two ago.  As soon as the mods stepped in you put on your wall about how mods get in the way of you owning people (As weirdly as that sounds.  It is a forum).

@Bold Are you stalking me?

I believe you. I just wanted to know which specific thread you were talking about. Now that I know, I can tell you that derailing in that case wasn't wrong.


lol Not even remotely.

You may or may not be wrong but that type of discussion is still not needed.  Do it in private messages.  Derailing is against the rules.  Mods rarely do anything about derailing but they stepped in that time.  That should happen more often or warnings should be given out then bans if it keeps happening.

I dont see many threads get locked though.  Or the ones ive visited anyways.







       

JayWood2010 said:

lol Not even remotely.

You may or may not be wrong but that type of discussion is still not needed.  Do it in private messages.  Derailing is against the rules.  Mods rarely do anything about derailing but they stepped in that time.  That should happen more often or warnings should be given out then bans if it keeps happening.

Aren't you always complaining about people following you around? Then how the hell did you know what I did TWO weeks ago, and then what I did the very second afterwards? Is that not the same as what you criticize others for doing?

Private messaging is ineffective, since the person probably wouldn't care what I think personally. The only effective way is to publically shame them. 



Jay520 said:
JayWood2010 said:

lol Not even remotely.

You may or may not be wrong but that type of discussion is still not needed.  Do it in private messages.  Derailing is against the rules.  Mods rarely do anything about derailing but they stepped in that time.  That should happen more often or warnings should be given out then bans if it keeps happening.

Aren't you always complaining about people following you around? Then how the hell did you know what I did TWO weeks ago, and then what I did the very second afterwards? Is that not the same as what you criticize others for doing?

Private messaging is ineffective, since the person probably wouldn't care what I think personally. The only effective way is to publically shame them. 

Not exactly, nor can i talk about it without being banned.

All i can say is I have not  complained about everybody, just one.




       

Shits about to get serious up in here!