I would think smokers like not being able to smoke in the work place.
By making them go outside it gives them the chance to take a break every hour for 15 minutes. There is nobody more pathetic at a workplace than a cigarette smoker. they take way too many breaks and never get their work done on time.
@ListerofSmeg
My grandmother died of lung cancer and never smoked a day in her life, but her husband smoked quite a bit. Doesn't take a genius to figure out what caused the cancer. You have absolutely no argument here. Smoking is bad for your health period.
I love this. The people responding back are not even arguing what I said.
Your grandfather died of cancer? Sorry to hear that, so did my uncle and millions of others from smoking all the additives to tobacco. Neither your grandfathers dead nor anyone else has anything to do with the FACT(Maybe you need to look that up) that its been around for thousands of years, yet it wasn't until the last 100 that it started killing people. It killed your grandmother but not the person smoking so it must be the smoke and cannot possibly be air pollution, exposure to dangerous cleaning chemicals, etc? No my delusional friend you are brainwashed like many. we don't properly test anything these days for long term effects. You know power lines and Cell phones cause Cancer right? But your grand parents were never ever exposed to energy or Cell signals either right?
Its sad because most of you are just brainwashed. Sure kids its the tobacco and not the radioactive fertilizer, formaldehyde, or any of the other toxic chemicals they've started adding in the past 100 years. Cause you know Cancer was an epidemic in the Bible where they smoked tobacco..
Some of you need to really educate yourself before speaking to me again on this topic. Not knowing what you are talking about wont get you very far with me.
"Being in a room full of second-hand smoke is absolutely more harmful than just breathing air. Science has already made this extremely clear. If you are someone who doesn't believe in science, you should still find it obvious the moment you have trouble actually breathing"
Yes and I am sure you have read them too right? Air pollution is just as deadly as any other form. Truth is second hand smoke never does go away so it is in fact in the air we breath along with every other thing we burn or pump into the air. To say one is deadly but the other is not is silly and you cant link any data to back up your claims
What you posted doesn't even disprove what I said wrong in any way. I said it wasn't the tobacco it was the additives. IF you want to blame the right thing then please do so. If a person runs over you with their car do you blame the car or the person inside? Blame goes to what is actually doing the killing, not the vessel used to carry out killing.
When one of you can link a study showing the risk of smoking natural tobacco vs smoking chemical sprayed paper that also contains Nicotine, then let me know, you will have a valid argument then.
I don't blame you guys for your lack of understanding on this. I doubt most of you even know how cigs are made. Its just sad you all want to jump me like an expert but post nothing that contradicts what I said.
Peace out.
Please ignore this post and just reply based on what you wanted me to say so you can have a valid point if it makes you feel better. Its obvious not one of you talking to me is bothered by little things like facts or reality anyway
Oh lastly, Not saying the deaths caused by what they add aren't bad or that cig today are healthy. I am just putting the blame where it belongs. A plant didn't suddenly after being smoked for ages, start to kill people. If you want to come at me at least be able to comprehend that one FACT. Seriously people didn't even filter them in any way for hundreds of years and nobody was getting killed by it. Think people.
| tuscaniman99 said: @SamuelRSmith You're right I'm not forced to go into any business and if that business allowed smoking indoors they wouldn't be a business for very long. Thankfully smokers are a dying breed. In 20 years it will be extremely rare to see a smoker. |
http://quitsmoking.about.com/od/tobaccostatistics/a/tobaccofacts.htm
Quote: "1) There are 1.1 billion smokers in the world today, and if current trends continue, that number is expected to increase to 1.6 billion by the year 2025.
It's funny, cigarette smokers get treated worse than drug addicts.
I was walking down along the street and I heard this voice saying, "Good evening, Mr. Dowd." Well, I turned around and here was this big six-foot rabbit leaning up against a lamp-post. Well, I thought nothing of that because when you've lived in a town as long as I've lived in this one, you get used to the fact that everybody knows your name.
| marley said: You're right, no one is being forced into a place that allows smoking. That doesn't mean that people shouldn't have the right to purchase goods/services or work somewhere without the risk of bodily harm. This is why there are such things as building codes, health inspectors, fire marshalls etc. Secondhand smoke creates a real risk. It shouldn't be involuntarily imposed upon people simply because someone else is addicted and too inconsiderate to take their bad habit somewhere else. In the US there is no federal legislation on the subject. There are only state/local laws and they're different everywhere you go. But even in places where it's not law, most business still ban smoking because it's good business. It also reduces their healthcare costs and insurance premiums. |
I disagree. I don't think you do have a "right to purchase... or work somewhere without risk of bodily harm".
At the end of the day, there are property owners. You and someone else. If you want to trade something with them, sure, but the trade has to be under conditions that both parties agree to, or the trade doesn't occur. If one party wants to allow smoking in the place where the trade occurs, and the other party doesn't, then the trade doesn't go forward. You shouldn't be allowed to bend the conditions to your liking, and force the trade to go ahead strictly under your terms, that's immoral.
Whether or not something is "good business" does not have an impact on the morality of the argument.
| ListerOfSmeg said: Oh lastly, Not saying the deaths caused by what they add aren't bad or that cig today are healthy. I am just putting the blame where it belongs. A plant didn't suddenly after being smoked for ages, start to kill people. If you want to come at me at least be able to comprehend that one FACT. Seriously people didn't even filter them in any way for hundreds of years and nobody was getting killed by it. Think people. |
You can't know how many people might have gotten cancer from smoking 'only tobacco' hundreds (or thousands) of years ago because it wasn't studied then. Cancer wasn't even known to exist. Saying it didn't cause cancer, simply because we didn't know cancer existed is foolish. Smoke, or any partially burnt organic matter from any source, contains carcinogens (cancer-causing agents). There are a lot of known carcinogens in 'plain tobacco' smoke (roughly 1400).
The potential negative effects of smoking take an average of 20 years to manifest themselves. For most of human history the life expectancy was in the low to mid 30's. How can you make wild claims that smoking plain tobacco is safe because we've been doing it for thousands of years?
Yes, natural tobacco with nothing added might be 'more' healthy. But no, inhaling smoke (of any kind) is not healthy. Why do you think it makes you cough? Your body is rejecting it for a reason.
Burned organic matter from any source can and will cause cancer. Please be able to comprehend that one FACT.
SamuelRSmith said:
At the end of the day, there are property owners. You and someone else. If you want to trade something with them, sure, but the trade has to be under conditions that both parties agree to, or the trade doesn't occur. If one party wants to allow smoking in the place where the trade occurs, and the other party doesn't, then the trade doesn't go forward. You shouldn't be allowed to bend the conditions to your liking, and force the trade to go ahead strictly under your terms, that's immoral. Whether or not something is "good business" does not have an impact on the morality of the argument. |
Whether or not you agree has no affect on what reality is. There are already a number of workplace and consumer rights put in place through legislation, and safety is definitely one of them. There is a consumer bill of rights that has existed since the mid 1900's. The United Nations has adopted a broad range of consumer protections and it's watchdog agency is headquartered in London. You should be grateful for these protections, because they have most certainly made your life better and safer in countless ways.
This dude I worked with lit up a nicotine vapor cigarette the other week at McDonalds. The manager didn't see him but a few other people did and nothing, nobody cared. I was shocked when this guy just lit one up in store while I was cooking and preparing the food.
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