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  Bofferbrauer2 said:

https://www.pcgameshardware.de/Radeon-RX-6800-XT-Grafikkarte-276951/Tests/Benchmark-Release-Review-vs-RTX-3080-1361423/2/

It's German, but that shouldn't be too much a problem for you, right?

Interesting read, but there is still too much we don't know. A few things I took with me.

1. Whatever AMD will do against DLSS it won't be nearly as effective because they're missing the dedicated power to do so.

2. Their RT sucks balls. Looks more like an afterthought in comparison to Nvidia who really treat it as an integral part of future rendering.

3. Infinity cache is cool and all, but it feels more like a band-aid than an actual revolution. I can easily see it going away again once they realize they actually need more room for shaders. Nvidia used that room for more RT and Tensor cores and helped themselves with GDDR6X instead. Infinity cache is only twice as fast as GDDR6X, but so much smaller, which gives Nvidia the edge in versatility. While AMD needs the small edge in performance to stay competitive. It also seems that the cache is helping AMD to reach higher clocks because Cache is much more energy efficient than DRAM.

4. AMD seems to have gone intentionally for extremely high clock speeds. However that will only help them at lower resolutions as we've seen. Yet again it's AMD trying to brute force performance. 4K definitely has not been their goal with this generation.

Learning so much about the architectures of Ampere and RDNA2 makes me really excited about next gen because both of them still have a huge potential to improve while staying on the same node.

Last edited by vivster - on 20 November 2020

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vivster said:
 Bofferbrauer2 said:

https://www.pcgameshardware.de/Radeon-RX-6800-XT-Grafikkarte-276951/Tests/Benchmark-Release-Review-vs-RTX-3080-1361423/2/

It's German, but that shouldn't be too much a problem for you, right?

Learning so much about the architectures of Ampere and RDNA2 makes me really excited about next gen because both of them still have a huge potential to improve while staying on the same node.

It be interesting what Nvidia plans are.  They been on a every other year for new series since the launch of the 900 series.  At least according to the AMD road map they planning on release RDNA 3 base cards in 2021 most likely near the end.

Will Nvidia respond with a new generation of cards or wait till 2022.

Many might disagree but nothing would make me happier then getting back to a new gen every year.  It just means when I do finally upgrade it be a even bigger jump.  I never been the guy who cared about a new card coming out 6 or more months after I bought something that way more powerful then what I own.  Faster the progress the better even if I be further behind the newest tech for a longer period of time.



Cyran said:
vivster said:
 Bofferbrauer2 said:

https://www.pcgameshardware.de/Radeon-RX-6800-XT-Grafikkarte-276951/Tests/Benchmark-Release-Review-vs-RTX-3080-1361423/2/

It's German, but that shouldn't be too much a problem for you, right?

Learning so much about the architectures of Ampere and RDNA2 makes me really excited about next gen because both of them still have a huge potential to improve while staying on the same node.

It be interesting what Nvidia plans are.  They been on a every other year for new series since the launch of the 900 series.  At least according to the AMD road map they planning on release RDNA 3 base cards in 2021 most likely near the end.

Will Nvidia respond with a new generation of cards or wait till 2022.

Many might disagree but nothing would make me happier then getting back to a new gen every year.  It just means when I do finally upgrade it be a even bigger jump.  I never been the guy who cared about a new card coming out 6 or more months after I bought something that way more powerful then what I own.  Faster the progress the better even if I be further behind the newest tech for a longer period of time.

Tighter cycles won't really result in more performance over time. One of the biggest reasons why the cycles have drifted apart is the new nodes. Everyone is struggling to get good yields on ever smaller nodes. I mean look at Intel. The only reason why AMD is in front currently is they are using smaller nodes, otherwise even they wouldn't be able to improve that much. It's especially difficult for GPUs since they have to be high powered and huge. There is only so much you can do with architecture, since so much is parallelized more power will only come from more cores. More cores means bigger chips and as such terrible yields. ARM doesn't have that issue(yet) since their chips are tiny. When it comes to performance increase GPUs are pretty much fucked compared to any other semiconductor. They pretty much need to get wider and now with RT they need to sacrifice even more room. I doubt that 5nm is in any way ready to deliver huge GPU chips so we'll have to wait a bit for the next big jump.

I don't mind shorter cycles. They're terrible for the environment but always better for the consumer. I don't expect Nvidia to come out with a new architecture in 2021, but I do expect refreshes to compete with whatever AMD delivers. Amd are the ones who need to rpove themselves since RDNA2 is definitely not it yet.



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Here come the Friday news!

SALES /PLAYER COUNT & DEALS

Get Elite Dangerous and The World Next Door free on the Epic Games Store
https://www.pcgamer.com/get-elite-dangerous-and-the-world-next-door-free-on-the-epic-games-store/
We like Elite Dangerous quite a lot. We gave it an 86/100 in our 2014 review, and six years later it still holds a spot on our list of Best PC Games as "an open-world (open-galaxy?) space flight sim that masterfully gives players total freedom." And speaking of freedom, it is also now free for the week on the Epic Games Store.
(...)
It's a big one, but it's not the only one: Also free this week is The World Next Door, "a mix of lightning-fast puzzle battles, powerful storytelling, and immersive visual novel elements" about a rebellious teen trapped in a parallel world that's inhabited by magical creatures. It's developed by Portland-based studio Rose City Games and published by manga and anime distributor Viz Media.
>> And next week the free game will be MudRunner.

The Humble Store launches its Fall Sale with up to 90% discounts until December 1st. Check it out!

Fanatical has two new deals:

SOFTWARE & DRIVERS

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MODS, EMULATORS & FAN PROJECTS

Devil May Cry 5 PC gets an unofficial Legendary Dark Knight Mode
https://www.dsogaming.com/news/devil-may-cry-5-pc-gets-an-unofficial-legendary-dark-knight-mode/
Modders ‘The HitchHiker’ and ‘Dr Penguin’ have released an unofficial Legendary Dark Knight Mode for Devil May Cry 5. This mode adjusts the number of enemies on screen, allowing players to face lots of demons.
In case you weren’t aware of, Capcom has included such a mode in the Special Edition of Devil May Cry 5 for next-gen consoles. However, and similarly to the game’s Ray Tracing effects, Capcom will not bring it to the PC version. As such, this mod is a must-have for all PC players.
(...)
What’s also cool here is that this mod also works when playing in coop with Dante & Nero, or with V solo. However, do note that playing with V and other players in coop currently runs the risk of causing crashes.
>> You can get it from Nexus Mods.

Mod turns Rocket League into a tornado-filled 120-car war
https://www.pcgamer.com/mod-turns-rocket-league-into-a-tornado-filled-120-car-war/
Bakkesmod is a longstanding and popular third-party Rocket League mod, mainly used by the community for training, video editing, and then a bunch of miscellaneous stuff. For a while it's had a Multi-Car plugin, allowing users to populate matches with tonnes of bot cars. And now it looks like there are PCs capable of taking this to extremes.

'Snolf' traps Sonic in a fan-made golfing nightmare
https://www.pcgamer.com/snolf-traps-sonic-in-a-fan-made-golfing-nightmare/
Sonic's always had a bit of a rough ride when it came to transitioning to 3D. But while Sega itself has picked up, worn out and ditched several different approaches over the years, one fan-game might just have cracked it by turning the blue blur into a prickly little golf ball.
Using popular Doom-engine fan game Sonic Robo Blast 2, Snolf RB2 creator Oakreef has altered the spin-off's multi-layered platforming stages to create a high-speed mini-golf course.

GAMING NEWS

The ‘Embracer Group’ has recently acquired 13 new game companies, including 11 game developers
https://www.dsogaming.com/news/the-embracer-group-has-recently-acquired-13-new-game-companies-including-11-game-developers/
It appears that Embracer Group has acquired a dozen of gaming companies, including the developers of Phoenix Point, Shadow Warrior, Redout, and Pinball FX among others.
>> shikamaru317 made a thread about this, more than two days ago.

Myst-inspired VR adventure game, Ryte: The Eye of Atlantis, releases on December 8th
https://www.dsogaming.com/news/myst-inspired-vr-adventure-game-ryte-the-eye-of-atlantis-releases-on-december-8th/
Orichalcum Pictures has announced that its Myst-inspired VR adventure game, Ryte: The Eye of Atlantis, will release on December 8th. The game will support both SteamVR and Oculus VR devices, and you can find a gameplay trailer for it below.

New trailers released for BALAN WONDERWORLD
https://www.dsogaming.com/videotrailer-news/new-trailers-released-for-balan-wonderworld/
Square Enix has released two new trailers for its upcoming action-platformer, BALAN WONDERWORLD. These trailers give us a glimpse at more of the Twelve different tales that await the game’s stars in Wonderworld.

Star Citizen is free to play until December 2nd, allowing you to fly over 100 ships
https://www.dsogaming.com/news/star-citizen-is-free-to-play-until-december-2nd-allowing-you-to-fly-over-100-ships/
Cloud Imperium has announced that Star Citizen will be available for free during the Intergalactic Aerospace Expo 2950. From today and until December 2nd, PC gamers can download and play for free the latest alpha build of this upcoming space MMO game.

Horizon Zero Dawn Complete Edition is coming to GOG on November 24th
https://www.dsogaming.com/news/horizon-zero-dawn-complete-edition-is-coming-to-gog-on-november-24th/
Sony and CD Projekt have announced that Horizon Zero Dawn Complete Edition will be coming to GOG on November 24th. And, as with all GOG releases, Horizon Zero Dawn will be DRM-free on this store.



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Friday news, part two:

Evil Genius 2 has a dodo that teaches you science
https://www.pcgamer.com/evil-genuis-2-has-a-dodo-that-teaches-you-science/
In a new devlog, Rebellion has detailed their upcoming lair builder's new World Domination mode. This time, there's more to keep an eye on than just your base. Instead, Evil Genius 2 wants to give you the feeling of actual world domination by letting you establish global operations. You can send your minions to places far and wide to set up a criminal network for you, collect gold and complete objectives. The world is not going to let you merrily dominate it, however—the forces of good can launch counter attacks if you overdo your scheming, and even unleash "super agents" to take care of you.

Watch Cyberpunk 2077's latest Night City Wire livestream here
https://www.pcgamer.com/watch-cyberpunk-2077s-latest-night-city-wire-livestream-here/
Update: The show is over, but the cyber-beat goes on. The fifth episode of Cyberpunk 2077's Night City Wire livestreams can now be viewed in its entirety up above. This one is a showcase for the music: The focus is on Johnny Silverhand (and, of course, Keanu Reeves) but there's also a look at some of the in-game radio stations and the music that will play on them, and a five-minute gameplay trailer that details your introduction to Johnny, and what he has in mind for the two of you—and Night City.

Cyberpunk 2077 video goes behind the scenes with Keanu Reeves
https://www.pcgamer.com/cyberpunk-2077-video-goes-behind-the-scenes-with-keanu-reeves/
The final episode of Cyberpunk 2077's Night City Wire livestreams kicked off with a new trailer featuring Johnny Silverhand, the cyber-armed rock star portrayed by Keanu Reeves.

Here are six new tracks from the Cyberpunk 2077 OST
https://www.pcgamer.com/here-are-six-new-tracks-from-the-cyberpunk-2077-ost/
Today's Cyberpunk 2077 Night City Wire livestream was (almost) all about the music. A lot of it focused on Johnny Silverhand and his human counterpart Keanu Reeves, naturally, but it also spent some time showcasing Cyberpunk 2077's original score and licensed soundtrack. Six of those tracks, by composers Paul Leonard-Morgan, Marcin Przybyłowicz, and P.T. Adamczyk, were posted to YouTube after the show was over, and you can listen to them all below.

12 Minutes, The Artful Escape, and Last Stop pushed into 2021
https://www.pcgamer.com/12-minutes-the-artful-escape-and-last-stop-pushed-into-2021/
It had to happen: Annapurna Interactive has officially delayed its three remaining new games for 2020. Timeloop thriller 12 Minutes, musical platformer The Artful Escape, and narrative third-person adventure Last Stop will all release sometime in 2021. The only Annapurna game currently still slated for release is the Steam version of Wattam, Funomena's colourful puzzler, which released on the Epic Store last year.

Nebuchadnezzar is an Impressions-style city builder coming next year
https://www.pcgamer.com/nebuchadnezzar-is-an-impressions-style-city-builder-coming-next-year/
I'm a sucker for anything remotely evocative of one of Impressions Games' classic city builders, and with Nebuchadnezzar its inspiration couldn't be clearer. I last wrote about it nearly a year ago, back when it was first announced, and finally there's a release date. You'll be able to build your own cities and raise monuments in February. In the meantime, point your eyes at the trailer above.

Bungie nerfs Stasis Warlock and promises to add more guns to Destiny 2: Beyond Light
https://www.pcgamer.com/bungie-nerfs-stasis-warlock-and-promises-to-add-more-guns-to-destiny-2-beyond-light/
The Destiny 2: Beyond Light expansion went live earlier this week with the big addition of a new elemental power, Stasis, that enables players to slow, freeze, and shatter enemies. It very quickly became clear that it was working a little too well for the new for the new Shadebinder Warlock, though, and by "a little" I mean a lot, and by "a lot" I mean, as Bungie put it in its latest weekly update, "we mean insanely huge."

Yikes, Call of Duty: Warzone's infinite stim glitch is back to ruin your day
https://www.pcgamer.com/call-of-duty-warzone-stim-glitch-infinite/
If you're planning on hopping into Call of Duty: Warzone tonight, consider sitting this one out. Just over a month after Infinity Ward fixed a widespread exploit that allowed anyone to cheat their way to victory, it looks like the infinite stim glitch is back.

Marvel's Avengers DLC will add Kate Bishop and a new villain on December 8
https://www.pcgamer.com/marvels-avengers-dlc-will-add-kate-bishop-and-a-new-villain-on-december-8/
The Taking AIM DLC that will add Kate Bishop to Marvel's Avengers was originally supposed to arrive in October, but what we got instead was a "slight delay" so developer Crystal Dynamics could focus its efforts on fixing and tuning the game instead. Today Square Enix announced that the new Avenger will join the team on December 8—and she won't be alone.

Total War: Warhammer 2 is adding dragon-riding elf twins and a skaven named 'Throt the Unclean'
https://www.pcgamer.com/total-war-warhammer-2-is-adding-dragon-riding-elf-twins-and-a-skaven-named-throt-the-unclean/
A sixth legendary lord pack has been announced for Total War: Warhammer 2, this time adding the Clan Moulder skaven faction led by Throt the Unclean, whose theme is "extremely gross mutated monsters", and the elven Heralds of Ariel faction led by the Sisters of Twilight, who earn items forged by a master smith over the course of a campaign and ride a dragon for good measure.

Vermintide 2's dwarf has a minigun now
https://www.pcgamer.com/vermintide-2s-dwarf-has-a-minigun-now/
Earlier this year co-op Warhammer-em-up Vermintide 2 received some new DLC in the form of an additional career for moustachioed soldier Markus Kruber, turning him into the armored Grail Knight. As developers Fatshark teased in a recent stream, the next character receiving a premium career is Bardin Goreksson the dwarf. The DLC is out now, and it transforms Bardin into the Outcast Engineer.

The Internet Archive's new Flash library is a nostalgic goldmine
https://www.pcgamer.com/the-internet-archives-new-flash-library-is-a-nostalgic-goldmine/
Flash is dying. On December 31, Adobe is pulling the plug on the venerable animation tool. With browsers increasingly removing support for the software anyway, that frontier of game development has become harder and harder to revisit. This week, the Internet Archive launched its own Flash software library, a catalogue of .swf files that lets you revisit the best (and worst) games of the 2000s as their creators intended—through a tiny window in your web browser.

Wobbledogs wants you to look after a kennel of very normal pups next year
https://www.pcgamer.com/wobbledogs-wants-you-to-look-after-a-kennel-of-very-normal-pups-next-year/
Dogs. Man's best friends. Four legs, a wet nose and a wagging tail... but wait, are we sure they only have four paws? What if we tripled the number of eyes? Why can't the tail be a tree? So goes Wobbledogs, a delightfully daft upcoming "pet simulation" that dares to redefine our canine companions.

And these are the weekend deals at GOG and Steam:

+GOG

+Steam

That all folks! Until next time, have a happy and gaming weekend.



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that star citizen deal is just so they can get even more money thrown at them



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vivster said:
Cyran said:
vivster said:
 Bofferbrauer2 said:

https://www.pcgameshardware.de/Radeon-RX-6800-XT-Grafikkarte-276951/Tests/Benchmark-Release-Review-vs-RTX-3080-1361423/2/

It's German, but that shouldn't be too much a problem for you, right?

Learning so much about the architectures of Ampere and RDNA2 makes me really excited about next gen because both of them still have a huge potential to improve while staying on the same node.

It be interesting what Nvidia plans are.  They been on a every other year for new series since the launch of the 900 series.  At least according to the AMD road map they planning on release RDNA 3 base cards in 2021 most likely near the end.

Will Nvidia respond with a new generation of cards or wait till 2022.

Many might disagree but nothing would make me happier then getting back to a new gen every year.  It just means when I do finally upgrade it be a even bigger jump.  I never been the guy who cared about a new card coming out 6 or more months after I bought something that way more powerful then what I own.  Faster the progress the better even if I be further behind the newest tech for a longer period of time.

Tighter cycles won't really result in more performance over time. One of the biggest reasons why the cycles have drifted apart is the new nodes. Everyone is struggling to get good yields on ever smaller nodes. I mean look at Intel. The only reason why AMD is in front currently is they are using smaller nodes, otherwise even they wouldn't be able to improve that much. It's especially difficult for GPUs since they have to be high powered and huge. There is only so much you can do with architecture, since so much is parallelized more power will only come from more cores. More cores means bigger chips and as such terrible yields. ARM doesn't have that issue(yet) since their chips are tiny. When it comes to performance increase GPUs are pretty much fucked compared to any other semiconductor. They pretty much need to get wider and now with RT they need to sacrifice even more room. I doubt that 5nm is in any way ready to deliver huge GPU chips so we'll have to wait a bit for the next big jump.

I don't mind shorter cycles. They're terrible for the environment but always better for the consumer. I don't expect Nvidia to come out with a new architecture in 2021, but I do expect refreshes to compete with whatever AMD delivers. Amd are the ones who need to rpove themselves since RDNA2 is definitely not it yet.

That's why everybody expects both AMD and Nvidia to move their GPUs to the same chiplet design that AMD already uses for its CPUs.



Please excuse my bad English.

Currently gaming on a PC with an i5-4670k@stock (for now), 16Gb RAM 1600 MHz and a GTX 1070

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kirby007 said:
that star citizen deal is just so they can get even more money thrown at them

Indeed.

But it's the second free weekend in a short amount of time, which makes me think they they're really interested in expanding their userbase... and money income.



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I can't believe people are still funneling money into that vaporware.



If there's one game that showcases why you shouldn't put money into something that hasn't released yet... It would be star citizen



             

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