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Jizz_Beard_thePirate said:

AMD announces FSR4, available “only on Radeon RX 9070 series”

https://videocardz.com/pixel/amd-announces-fsr4-available-only-on-radeon-rx-9070-series

Remember folks, Intel found a way to run XeSS on RDNA 2...

AMD previews Radeon RX 9070 XT and 9070 Series, RDNA4 launches Q1 2025

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-previews-radeon-rx-9070-xt-and-9070-series-rdna4-launches-q1-2025

"Today is only the announcement, no specs, performance, pricing or release date"

Gotta wait for Nvidia so they can do their 5-10% discount lmao

At this point can we just agree that AMD is literally trying to follow in Nvidia's wrong footsteps for the worst reasons?.

It was bad enough that the previous iteration wasn't going to be available for even 1000 series cards, but at this stage they're just copying Nvidia with "nope, one gen only" rule. It's amazing how we have bright minds in this side of tech, but apparently it's just "impossible" to make it happen now for more than a single gen (which feels like a convenient lie to sell the latest gen). 



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Chazore said:
Cyran said:

I was lucky and was able to get a 3090 basically at launch for $1800 so been running it for a bit over 4 years now. I leaning toward buying the 5090 assuming it not more then $2500 which with nvidia these days who knows. I am guessing the 5090 after launch only going to get more expensive not cheaper especially with the possibility of tariffs and I not sure I willing to wait till 2027 for a 6090. 6 years would be longer than I ever gone without upgrading. 4 years is already getting close to my record without a upgrade.

It don't seem worth it going to a 5080 as I been playing with running some LLMs locally lately and the 24GB in the 3090 get eaten up very quickly so don't really want to downgrade ram. Which leaves 5090 only viable option for a upgrade in 2025. Ideally would like something even more powerful for LLMs but those cards are way out of my budget and I would still need a gaming card since those would not be good for that so 5090 my only option for a upgrade for that also.

This going to be expensive year I think for me because I still prefer 27 inch monitors and not upgraded in a long time because been waiting for something like this that just been announce no price yet https://rog.asus.com/us/monitors/27-to-31-5-inches/rog-swift-oled-pg27ucdm/. Hopefully 5090 will have a DP 2.1 UHBR20 slot also I can't imagine Nvidia skipping it for another generation but who knows with nvidia.

I know it may be rude to ask, but what type of LLM's have you been testing with recently?.

Are they ones designed for visual generation/learning, or code learning ones?.

Right now I been playing with text base models so similar to ChatGPT, OpenAI etc but running local (and a much smaller model).  I find 33B MemLong model run ok on my 3090 but anything bigger get a bit slow.  70B takes over a min to respond so basically useless at that point.  Right now mainly playing with it but eventually might try building code that can ask questions and take responses to automate stuff like a custom news feed.  Obvious there easier ways to do that then with a AI but more for educational purposes for now.  Coding if you a beginner it fine but generally speaking any journey level programer should be able to produce more efficient code then chatGPT etc can produce at moment.  Now 5 years from now that could change but there would need to be a pretty big jump for that to happen.  Problem with AI currently is it just wrong a lot and it present that wrong information as correct.



Realistically 5090 will probably be $2000 or less. Nvidia had a huge opportunity to increase the price of 4090 to be $2000 or higher but they didn't and only increased it by $100. The pricing leaks for Nvidia gpus prior to launch has always been wrong.



                  

PC Specs: CPU: 7800X3D || GPU: Strix 4090 || RAM: 32GB DDR5 6000 || Main SSD: WD 2TB SN850

Chazore said:
Jizz_Beard_thePirate said:

AMD announces FSR4, available “only on Radeon RX 9070 series”

https://videocardz.com/pixel/amd-announces-fsr4-available-only-on-radeon-rx-9070-series

Remember folks, Intel found a way to run XeSS on RDNA 2...

AMD previews Radeon RX 9070 XT and 9070 Series, RDNA4 launches Q1 2025

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-previews-radeon-rx-9070-xt-and-9070-series-rdna4-launches-q1-2025

"Today is only the announcement, no specs, performance, pricing or release date"

Gotta wait for Nvidia so they can do their 5-10% discount lmao

At this point can we just agree that AMD is literally trying to follow in Nvidia's wrong footsteps for the worst reasons?.

It was bad enough that the previous iteration wasn't going to be available for even 1000 series cards, but at this stage they're just copying Nvidia with "nope, one gen only" rule. It's amazing how we have bright minds in this side of tech, but apparently it's just "impossible" to make it happen now for more than a single gen (which feels like a convenient lie to sell the latest gen). 

I have said it before but the leadership at Radeon is full of clowns. They act like they are the "good guys" but in reality, they are completely pathetic.

FSR being available on older gpus has been nothing special because all it is, is just a traditional upscaler. A step up from TAA but games like spiderman had a similar one to FSR already in their engine. XeSS being available on older gpus on the other hand is nuts because Intel is leveraging dp4a path. While not as good as having actual Ai cores, least it's something and proven to be superior to FSR.

Radeon is cheap because they don't invest on Nvidias feature set and instead produce cheap knockoffs that require very little on going investment. Even FSR4 they likely didn't fully make it themselves and likely was a partnership with Mark Cerny. Intel on the other hand did make XeSS by themselves and made it work for every gpu including RDNA2. So while Intel does have a long way to go with their drivers, I am rooting for them to be the robinhood that Radeon pretends to be.



                  

PC Specs: CPU: 7800X3D || GPU: Strix 4090 || RAM: 32GB DDR5 6000 || Main SSD: WD 2TB SN850

Jizz_Beard_thePirate said:

Realistically 5090 will probably be $2000 or less. Nvidia had a huge opportunity to increase the price of 4090 to be $2000 or higher but they didn't and only increased it by $100. The pricing leaks for Nvidia gpus prior to launch has always been wrong.

I hope you right. 10 years ago I would've thought 2k for a video card was insane but at this point given that AMD/Intel not going to release anything at the 5090 level I take it.



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Cyran said:

Right now I been playing with text base models so similar to ChatGPT, OpenAI etc but running local (and a much smaller model).  I find 33B MemLong model run ok on my 3090 but anything bigger get a bit slow.  70B takes over a min to respond so basically useless at that point.  Right now mainly playing with it but eventually might try building code that can ask questions and take responses to automate stuff like a custom news feed.  Obvious there easier ways to do that then with a AI but more for educational purposes for now.  Coding if you a beginner it fine but generally speaking any journey level programer should be able to produce more efficient code then chatGPT etc can produce at moment.  Now 5 years from now that could change but there would need to be a pretty big jump for that to happen.  Problem with AI currently is it just wrong a lot and it present that wrong information as correct.

Just checking to see which models you were using.

I'm trying to keep my eye out for people trying or attempting to use LLM's that can experience "existential crisis" as it's called. I want to warn people not to try using LLM's that can experience such an experience (trust me, it's a terrifying prospect). 

Isn't the open model of CGPT also restricted in multiple ways?.  I know MS's copilot model is prohibited from answering certain questions for one such example of a limitation. 

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Jizz_Beard_thePirate said:

I have said it before but the leadership at Radeon is full of clowns. They act like they are the "good guys" but in reality, they are completely pathetic.

FSR being available on older gpus has been nothing special because all it is, is just a traditional upscaler. A step up from TAA but games like spiderman had a similar one to FSR already in their engine. XeSS being available on older gpus on the other hand is nuts because Intel is leveraging dp4a path. While not as good as having actual Ai cores, least it's something and proven to be superior to FSR.

Radeon is cheap because they don't invest on Nvidias feature set and instead produce cheap knockoffs that require very little on going investment. Even FSR4 they likely didn't fully make it themselves and likely was a partnership with Mark Cerny. Intel on the other hand did make XeSS by themselves and made it work for every gpu including RDNA2. So while Intel does have a long way to go with their drivers, I am rooting for them to be the robinhood that Radeon pretends to be.

While it was nice of them to grant support to even my GPU with FSR 1-2.1, I knew it was being used as leverage of loyalty, and I wasn't going to buy into that (I'm made fully aware of marketing leverage tactics thanks to my e-business course I took yrs ago, and how companies will use them to try detracting loyalty from their competition and push ppl towards their side by making "gestures" of goodwill that serve their own interests). 

I'm pretty sure Intel has more bank than AMD, so I'm sure they can play the waiting game better than AMD possibly can. We just have to try buying into it piece at a time, instead of just not buying it at all and seeing them leave the party early. As it stands Nvidia isn't in my range anymore, which leaves me with AMD/Intel, so I guess I'm going to have to wait a little longer to see what Intel can dish out, because I don't trust AMD without a decent feature-set. 



Step right up come on in, feel the buzz in your veins, I'm like an chemical electrical right into your brain and I'm the one who killed the Radio, soon you'll all see

So pay up motherfuckers you belong to "V"

Jizz_Beard_thePirate said:

AMD announces FSR4, available “only on Radeon RX 9070 series”

https://videocardz.com/pixel/amd-announces-fsr4-available-only-on-radeon-rx-9070-series

Remember folks, Intel found a way to run XeSS on RDNA 2...

I'll reserve my judgement until we know more about the new architecture It's a shame AMD didn't extend the support to older architectures, but we knew this was the most likely situation as it probably uses new hardware blocks designed for this, like Nvidia's Tensor cores.

Also yes, XeSS runs on RDNA2 and also older Nvidia architectures, but it does so by eating resources that the card would use to render the game, making the gains rather small (at least in the Tomb Raider game every body tested it, I don't know if there has been more tests with more games).

On another note, I hope the “only on Radeon RX 9070 series” bit is only there because those are the cards that are "announcing" today, and that the 9060 supports it as well. Otherwise it's a, to be polite, not very intelligent idea from AMD that will only cause them pain, bad press and lost sales.

Jizz_Beard_thePirate said:

AMD previews Radeon RX 9070 XT and 9070 Series, RDNA4 launches Q1 2025

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-previews-radeon-rx-9070-xt-and-9070-series-rdna4-launches-q1-2025

"Today is only the announcement, no specs, performance, pricing or release date"

Gotta wait for Nvidia so they can do their 5-10% discount lmao

If that's all they were going to do, they could have saved it for another day, when they reveal the whole info. That's as useless as it can be.

That being said, there's quite a size gap between AMD's reference 9070 and 9070XT. I wonder if that means that the performance gap between both will be relatively big.



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JEMC said:
Jizz_Beard_thePirate said:

AMD announces FSR4, available “only on Radeon RX 9070 series”

https://videocardz.com/pixel/amd-announces-fsr4-available-only-on-radeon-rx-9070-series

Remember folks, Intel found a way to run XeSS on RDNA 2...

I'll reserve my judgement until we know more about the new architecture It's a shame AMD didn't extend the support to older architectures, but we knew this was the most likely situation as it probably uses new hardware blocks designed for this, like Nvidia's Tensor cores.

Also yes, XeSS runs on RDNA2 and also older Nvidia architectures, but it does so by eating resources that the card would use to render the game, making the gains rather small (at least in the Tomb Raider game every body tested it, I don't know if there has been more tests with more games).

On another note, I hope the “only on Radeon RX 9070 series” bit is only there because those are the cards that are "announcing" today, and that the 9060 supports it as well. Otherwise it's a, to be polite, not very intelligent idea from AMD that will only cause them pain, bad press and lost sales.

Jizz_Beard_thePirate said:

AMD previews Radeon RX 9070 XT and 9070 Series, RDNA4 launches Q1 2025

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-previews-radeon-rx-9070-xt-and-9070-series-rdna4-launches-q1-2025

"Today is only the announcement, no specs, performance, pricing or release date"

Gotta wait for Nvidia so they can do their 5-10% discount lmao

If that's all they were going to do, they could have saved it for another day, when they reveal the whole info. That's as useless as it can be.

That being said, there's quite a size gap between AMD's reference 9070 and 9070XT. I wonder if that means that the performance gap between both will be relatively big.

Yea surely they won't make it that confusing unless 9060 is based on RDNA 3 and 9070 is based on RDNA 4. But if that's the case, that opens up a whole new can of worms since the naming scheme is already confusing. Surely they won't be that stupid and if nothing else, 9060 will be based on RDNA 4.

The worst part about being this late with Ai upscaling however is the supported games. DLSS is currently over 600 games while XeSS is over 200 games. FSR4 is going to start with a select few and will require developer implementation. Sure I am sure someone will mod in a dll modifier or what have you but we have seen that official support is better than modding things in. Hopefully Radeon gets on that asap.

Not too much longer till we get the official details however.



                  

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The shitstorm that would happen if the 9060 is based on RDNA3 and doesn't support FSR4 would be of such magnitude that AMD would have an incredibly hard time recovering from it, if possible at all. People would turn their backs to them and move to Nvidia or Intel, making AMD not irrelevant but certainly putting them in the "who cares" group.

Starting from zero is always a challenge, but if Intel has managed to get that many games with virtually 0% marketshare, AMD should be able to easily get more than that, especially if FSR4 runs on PS5Pro games and is a straight port of code to the PC version of those games.

But yeah,w e'll have to wait until we get the proper announcement of the cards, architecture and FSR4.



Please excuse my bad English.

Currently gaming on a PC with an i5-4670k@stock (for now), 16Gb RAM 1600 MHz and a GTX 1070

Steam / Live / NNID : jonxiquet    Add me if you want, but I'm a single player gamer.