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Chazore said:
Captain_Yuri said:

15-20% performance uplift at 15 watts and 40-70% at 25 watts vs steam deck at 15 watts. Pretty meh performance per watt uplift all things considered and since it has the same battery capacity as the steam deck, you would probably want to run it at 15 watts most of the time. The rest of the features are great though, especially the 120hz display and the fan noise along with the very competitive price. But it is lacking the crucial suspend and resume function that the steam deck has,

The quality control on those buttons is a bit worrying however.

I'm seeing comments across reddit, youtube and twitter that are all talking about the lack of suspend/resume feature and it being the biggest deal breaker to them.

Perf uplift or not, the battery being the same is bad, meaning juicing the system to outperform the deck, means you're draining more batter, which means you're plugging yourself to a socket, which defeats the entire purpose of a mobile device.

basically you either juice yourself to less than an hr's experience, or you stay at the Deck's level and still have no S/R feature. Either way I see that device being utterly dead in the water compared to the Deck (and afaik, that device is mainly Windows, not Steam oS, so it's going to miss out on features that can and will come with that OS down the line, so they have to rely on MS to somehow ante up Steam oS). 

Pretty much. I am surprised how many tech tubers aren't talking about the lack of suspend and resume. Linus skipped that part entirely in their review of the Ally. Either you need to have great battery to the point where pausing the game will not drain the battery enough for it to matter or you need to have suspend and resume so that if you need to do something else, you can. This is the worst of both options, bad battery life and no suspend and resume. And if you limit it to 10 watts, the Steam Deck is faster at that point.

It does allow you to play every game thanks to Windows and the 120hz VRR display is great but idk if it's worth a buy for most people.



                  

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Captain_Yuri said:

Pretty much. I am surprised how many tech tubers aren't talking about the lack of suspend and resume. Linus skipped that part entirely in their review of the Ally. Either you need to have great battery to the point where pausing the game will not drain the battery enough for it to matter or you need to have suspend and resume so that if you need to do something else, you can. This is the worst of both options, bad battery life and no suspend and resume. And if you limit it to 10 watts, the Steam Deck is faster at that point.

It does allow you to play every game thanks to Windows and the 120hz VRR display is great but idk if it's worth a buy for most people.

Likely because most of those guys use the device indoors, possibly same for the Deck (just like how I myself have always used my Switch indoors, mostly docked or mobile on my bed, but never outdoors), so they're comfortable with keeping the handheld plugged in at all times to constantly keep the device juiced and somehow make juicing it worth it (because outside of keeping it on charge constantly, you'll be bothered by the constant draining battery every time you crank it up).

No idea why Linus of all people skipped it, considering how he was ogling the Deck last year and going all over it's features and innards, and then for this device he just skips an important feature like the S/R.

Honestly, not that I too share hate for recent wrongdoings from Asus, but the bad battery and no S/R make that device non portable, because to outdo the Deck, you'd want to juice it up, which means you're going to be plugged to a nearby wall socket most of the time, so you just may as well stick with a desktop or laptop at that point and get even more perf out of those other two devices.

It sounded good on paper, like specs and all that, but I think Asus just goofed hard by scrimping on the battery and no S/R.

Personally, I'm not a fan of where Windows is headed (after seeing what's gong on with 11), so it running only Windows is just a no buy for me, whilst the Deck allows for either OS, and that's good to have the options there for you from day 1. Even if the Ally can support Steam OS, it's not going to be "officially" supported by Valve like the Deck is, so there's definitely going to be some reliance on Asus to support it's own Ally customers in their own way, and well, given their recent shitting the bed... fat chance of long-term support like what Valve has for the Deck. 

Last edited by Chazore - on 12 May 2023

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Chazore said:
Captain_Yuri said:

Pretty much. I am surprised how many tech tubers aren't talking about the lack of suspend and resume. Linus skipped that part entirely in their review of the Ally. Either you need to have great battery to the point where pausing the game will not drain the battery enough for it to matter or you need to have suspend and resume so that if you need to do something else, you can. This is the worst of both options, bad battery life and no suspend and resume. And if you limit it to 10 watts, the Steam Deck is faster at that point.

It does allow you to play every game thanks to Windows and the 120hz VRR display is great but idk if it's worth a buy for most people.

Likely because most of those guys use the device indoors, possibly same for the Deck (just like how I myself have always used my Switch indoors, mostly docked or mobile on my bed, but never outdoors), so they're comfortable with keeping the handheld plugged in at all times to constantly keep the device juiced and somehow make juicing it worth it (because outside of keeping it on charge constantly, you'll be bothered by the constant draining battery every time you crank it up).

No idea why Linus of all people skipped it, considering how he was ogling the Deck last year and going all over it's features and innards, and then for this device he just skips an important feature like the S/R.

Honestly, not that I too share hate for recent wrongdoings from Asus, but the bad battery and no S/R make that device non portable, because to outdo the Deck, you'd want to juice it up, which means you're going to be plugged to a nearby wall socket most of the time, so you just may as well stick with a desktop or laptop at that point and get even more perf out of those other two devices.

It sounded good on paper, like specs and all that, but I think Asus just goofed hard by scrimping on the battery and no S/R.

Personally, I'm not a fan of where Windows is headed (after seeing what's gong on with 11), so it running only Windows is just a no buy for me, whilst the Deck allows for either OS, and that's good to have the options there for you from day 1. Even if the Ally can support Steam OS, it's not going to be "officially" supported by Valve like the Deck is, so there's definitely going to be some reliance on Asus to support it's own Ally customers in their own way, and well, given their recent shitting the bed... fat chance of long-term support like what Valve has for the Deck. 

Pretty much. I will say that S/R isn't really a fault of Asus cause it needs to be built into the OS and considering how shitty MS is when it comes to sleep mode, I am sure they would do a shitty job here too. I do kinda wished Asus maybe worked with Valve to see if they could have Steam OS onto the Ally. Like the SoC isn't that different realistically , it's basically the same underlying arch, just upgraded so Steam OS should work if Valve started supporting it.

The other benefit of Steam Deck that no one talks about is pre-shader compilation with a lot of games.



                  

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Captain_Yuri said:

Pretty much. I will say that S/R isn't really a fault of Asus cause it needs to be built into the OS and considering how shitty MS is when it comes to sleep mode, I am sure they would do a shitty job here too. I do kinda wished Asus maybe worked with Valve to see if they could have Steam OS onto the Ally. Like the SoC isn't that different realistically , it's basically the same underlying arch, just upgraded so Steam OS should work if Valve started supporting it.

The other benefit of Steam Deck that no one talks about is pre-shader compilation with a lot of games.

Asus should have asked MS in a way to get sleep mode to work for their device, but considering how both big and stupid MS is, I doubt that would have ever panned out, in any universe.

I'm not sure about them asking Valve. That's like the time Timmy tried getting help from Valve without asking (via Steam Spy data collection, which was made by Timmy's 2nd in command as we later found out). I wouldn't exactly want to help my competition in a space that was new to me to compete in. 

I get that Steam OS is meant to be open, but we've seen what happens when AMD remains open with their tech, but Nvidia doesn't. I certainty wouldn't want Asus to ever get the idea of pulling a shifty move after getting help from someone with open source tech (like I wouldn't dream of wanting to give anyone so much as a mile or a chance to do so, but that's just my thoughts).

Maybe Asus will try to contact Valve, but with their current state of affairs, I'm not sure. I think they'll wait and see how sales pan out over the next 5 months and likely decide what happens from there. They're far more likely to maybe make another iteration, way before Valve counts to 2 though.



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Take it with a grain of salt as always but it's not the first time Nvidia listened to the market and gave their lower class more vram (like the 3060 12gb)

NVIDIA To End GeForce RTX 3060 Ti Production To Make Room For RTX 4060 Ti GPU

https://wccftech.com/nvidia-end-geforce-rtx-3060-ti-production-to-make-room-for-rtx-4060-ti-gpu/



                  

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Good, they are at least listening



                  

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I wonder what kind of price premium will the 16GB version have over the standard one, and if it willwill end being closer to the 4070 than to the regular 4060Ti. After all, the card will launch a month after the 8GB version, and Nvidia will want to sell as many of those as possible, not having people waiting around for the better model.

As for Asus, well, it's not like they had any other option after the served flak they've gotten and will keep gettings until all of this is fixed. The only doubt is how big will be the damage once all is said and done.



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My guess is $400 for 4060 Ti 8GB, maybe $430 and $500 for 4060 Ti 16GB. It will basically be a 3070 with 16GB of vram but due to the memory bus and low L2 cache, it won't be all that good at 4k.



                  

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I think $500 is way more likely but, since we don't know how Nvidia will price the 4060 and 4060Ti, we don't have a good baseline to compare. We only have the $600 of the 4070, and after how the card has sold, Nvidia will want to price these ones quite lower than that... but it's stil Nvidia, and they could have wanted to go $400 for the 4060 and $450-500 for the 4060Ti.

I guess we'll find out once Nvidia decides to announce them.

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