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Captain_Yuri said:
Who knows. x86 has had many competitors in the past and it managed to out last them and it's not like Arm isn't about to hit a wall either as the gains have been meh. Until Windows can work with Arm properly while delivering x86 levels of performance, it ain't gonna do much other than low end devices, apple and mobile. Surface Pro X for example is a solid flop cause of how awful it is to use with windows apps.

Software compatibility will follow with adoption. There is certainly high demand for using mobile apps on PCs and vice versa. Especially with a new generation growing up entirely with mobile. Performance seems to be fine enough with Apple being so sure to completely ditch x86. I have complete trust in Apple's greed, they wouldn't do this if there was a chance for them having to go back and lose a bunch of money.

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vivster said:
So AMD has a 3080 killer ready to deploy but instead they wait until everyone has bought the Nvidia cards before they even reveal it? Doesn't sound very smart to me.

I'm guessing AMD being surprised when it comes to Ampere is literally super negative or positive. Meaning AMD didn't see this coming, or assumed Nvidia got the hint and would've turned up the heat.

I would think this means we're either getting another Polaris like situation, with quite good mid tier gaming performance for reasonable prices, or they're going to be quite competitive with Ampere in general. Last time during the mid gen console launch it was the Polaris situation, so with the the next gen console RDNA Navi launch approaching, it wouldn't be crazy to assume another similar scenario.

I've been assuming Big Navi is actually going to compete all around with Ampere, which is why I figured they wouldn't pounce immediately after Ampere was announced. No need to react immediately if you're not at a disadvantage. I also wouldn't be surprised if AMD is thinking they should teach some gamers a lesson who've been sucked into the pre order game for years now. Let Ampere launch, let it sell out, and then shortly after, explain your cards coming soon will perform similar if not better, at less cost to some degree.

If Big Navi really is worthy for the most part, and you buy a 3000 Series, assuming you're not a strict Nvidia fan, then find out shortly after you could have gotten more performance for cheaper, you wouldn't kick yourself for not waiting a little bit? This would be smart for the future when AMD may be at a significant disadvantage again. Instead of gamers ignoring Radeon and just instantly buying up GeForce cards as soon as they can, they will start to wait and see. At least for a while anyway, depending on whether AMD continues to deliver, or not like prior gens.

Hopefully I'm not wrong, but RTG remaining so silent, calm and cool, which is new, says to me they actually have something serious cooking in their own ovens.

People don't buy GPUs every year, most people have the same GPU for at least 3 years. So if a person buys Nvidia over AMD due to lack of alternatives they will stick with that card. When the AMD cards finally release they will find reasons to justify their own purchase, dig in their heels and make sure to go Nvidia for the next gen too because they got used to it already. If people were capable of self reflection, rational thought or learning from mistakes the world wouldn't be such a fucked up place, but it is. So counting on that would be a bad move on AMD's part.

When I hear about rumors boldly presenting increased performance per watt numbers I cannot help but to think back the last time when that was the only selling point for an AMD card. It reminds me of the helpless flailing of console fanboys when they bring up price/performance for consoels over PC.



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I think I played roughly 14h of KoA yesterday. At the rate I'm going I'll probably be burned out again by the time I reach the mid point of the game. I'm a bit worried because I'm only like 25% through the game but already 75% through my skill tree.

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vivster said:
So AMD has a 3080 killer ready to deploy but instead they wait until everyone has bought the Nvidia cards before they even reveal it? Doesn't sound very smart to me.

You're assuming that AMD has its cards ready and are just waiting to launch them, when it's more reasonable to think that they simply aren't ready to launch them yet.

Captain_Yuri said:



https://www.cdw.com/product/pny-geforce-rtx-3090-24gb-3-slot/6245261

Wish I was in the US right now so I could at least try

If true, that's a steal. I wish you good luck, TallSilhouette.



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A bit of a preview of Ampere's review:

Overclocking NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 memory to 20 Gbps is easy
https://videocardz.com/newz/overclocking-nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-memory-to-20-gbps-is-easy
Our sources were kind enough to share some benchmarking results of the GeForce RTX 3080. We found the most interesting topic to be overclocking. It appears that currently, the best RTX 3080 variant is … NVIDIA Founders Edition, only because most AIB cards are still not running at higher TDP.

Full custom Ampere designs are slightly delayed, which might be an important factor when choosing the right model for you. ASUS is not seeding ROG STRIX to reviewers but the TUF Gaming instead. Also, Gigabyte is not yet ready with AORUS branded models. These are all fully custom designs with higher TDP, but for now, it seems that the best choice in terms of power limitations is Founders Edition with a TDP at 370W.

We asked one of the reviewers to do a quick memory overclocking test. This test was on the non-Founders Edition model (so power limited). We heard from other reviewers that some FE samples can’t reach 20.5 Gbps memory speed as the performance is then degrading. The results that we have do replicate such an issue.

Maybe it will be better to wait for the second batch of cards?



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vivster said:
So AMD has a 3080 killer ready to deploy but instead they wait until everyone has bought the Nvidia cards before they even reveal it? Doesn't sound very smart to me.

They probably need to manufacture console apus first, zen3 cpu's second and gpus get last prio.

Pemalite said:
Trumpstyle said:

Redgamingtech is aligned almost perfectly with my prediction, I give geforce 3090 the slight edge against big Navi, but let's see reviews first. The big cache seems interesting, maybe we get 256-bit bus + big cache with 12/16GB Vram options. On Rtx performance, I think big Navi will either have 1.5x or 2.1x performance advantage against geforce 2080 ti.

The issue with Red Gaming Tech is that they have a clear AMD confirmation bias, so yes they can get predictions "right", I often get my predictions "right".
The issue with Red Gaming Tech is they tend to report on every single possible rumor and try to pass it off as something factual.

Ironically it's the same issue I have with wccftech who aggregate every possible rumor under the sun, even if it contradicts their prior article.

We need to source our information from impartial sources like Anandtech or Digital Foundry and place less emphasis on rumor, otherwise we support "fake news" and "rumors passed as news".


You need to seperate when redgamingtech report on a rumor and when he has a exclusive, this is an exclusive. We will see if he is right, he was right on navi10 performance and release date.

Wccftech reports almost every rumor and give source where it coming from, this is great for me as I'm familiar with the most leakers by now :)



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vivster said:

I think I played roughly 14h of KoA yesterday. At the rate I'm going I'll probably be burned out again by the time I reach the mid point of the game. I'm a bit worried because I'm only like 25% through the game but already 75% through my skill tree.

Which trees did you go for?.

I tend to choose finesse+Sorc over might. I've always found the combat more tuned around those two, since every time I went with Might attacks, enemies always caught me during mid animation.



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Trumpstyle said:
vivster said:
So AMD has a 3080 killer ready to deploy but instead they wait until everyone has bought the Nvidia cards before they even reveal it? Doesn't sound very smart to me.

They probably need to manufacture console apus first, zen3 cpu's second and gpus get last prio.

Pemalite said:

The issue with Red Gaming Tech is that they have a clear AMD confirmation bias, so yes they can get predictions "right", I often get my predictions "right".
The issue with Red Gaming Tech is they tend to report on every single possible rumor and try to pass it off as something factual.

Ironically it's the same issue I have with wccftech who aggregate every possible rumor under the sun, even if it contradicts their prior article.

We need to source our information from impartial sources like Anandtech or Digital Foundry and place less emphasis on rumor, otherwise we support "fake news" and "rumors passed as news".


You need to seperate when redgamingtech report on a rumor and when he has a exclusive, this is an exclusive. We will see if he is right, he was right on navi10 performance and release date.

Wccftech reports almost every rumor and give source where it coming from, this is great for me as I'm familiar with the most leakers by now :)

I am not saying they aren't right or wrong... The issue I have is that people cling to these outlets and propagate every single tiny piece of information they 'report' on without fact checking or source checking.

Besides, when you report on every single possible scenario/rumor/word vomit/twitter post... You are obviously going to get a few correct "guesses" it's the law of averages at work.

It's easier to simply dissuade from sources which are dodgy to start with and stick to impartial sources like Anandtech.



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Pemalite said:
Trumpstyle said:

They probably need to manufacture console apus first, zen3 cpu's second and gpus get last prio.

You need to seperate when redgamingtech report on a rumor and when he has a exclusive, this is an exclusive. We will see if he is right, he was right on navi10 performance and release date.

Wccftech reports almost every rumor and give source where it coming from, this is great for me as I'm familiar with the most leakers by now :)

I am not saying they aren't right or wrong... The issue I have is that people cling to these outlets and propagate every single tiny piece of information they 'report' on without fact checking or source checking.

Besides, when you report on every single possible scenario/rumor/word vomit/twitter post... You are obviously going to get a few correct "guesses" it's the law of averages at work.

It's easier to simply dissuade from sources which are dodgy to start with and stick to impartial sources like Anandtech.

That's not fair and rubs me the wrong way. I was just posting some rumors like I do on here.

I did say rumour. Jees loiuse.



Pemalite said:

Besides, when you report on every single possible scenario/rumor/word vomit/twitter post... You are obviously going to get a few correct "guesses" it's the law of averages at work.

It's easier to simply dissuade from sources which are dodgy to start with and stick to impartial sources like Anandtech.

What I have been posting hasn't changed, I said big Navi will have +35% gaming performance over geforce 2080 ti, it will beat ampere in perf/w and Perf/mm2 and geforce 3090 will have a slight edge but it's possible for big navi to win, so it's not I have been reporting every rumor, I have been posting things that says exactly this.

What has changed is redgamingtech saying 256-bit bus + big cache and I'm unsure of rtx performance.



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Trumpstyle said:
Pemalite said:

Besides, when you report on every single possible scenario/rumor/word vomit/twitter post... You are obviously going to get a few correct "guesses" it's the law of averages at work.

It's easier to simply dissuade from sources which are dodgy to start with and stick to impartial sources like Anandtech.

What I have been posting hasn't changed, I said big Navi will have +35% gaming performance over geforce 2080 ti, it will beat ampere in perf/w and Perf/mm2 and geforce 3090 will have a slight edge but it's possible for big navi to win, so it's not I have been reporting every rumor, I have been posting things that says exactly this.

What has changed is redgamingtech saying 256-bit bus + big cache and I'm unsure of rtx performance.

There are some benchmarks up on Videocardz for the RTX 3080 here.