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The Fury said:

You seem to be mistaken that MS need to please anyone but the gamers. No gamers on your console, publishers won't sell games, they'll produce less for it and spend less time on it. Retailers will notice your console games don't sell well and dedicate more space to the ones that do.

Please gamers, then please everyone else.

On your points, 1 isn't an option, they'd alienate too many people too quickly. In option 2 though you are right, they are in a weird middle ground and they aren't quite a TV box but it is hard to enter such a market like that when established companies already hold huge ground.


You seem to be mistaken in thinking that they need to please ALL gamers. There are many different kinds of gamers, microsoft needs to decide which audience they are targeting and stick with that. If microsoft feels digital download is the future, they should target internet connected gamers and let that be the end of it, the kind that are used to being strictly digital. Physical discs is just a waste of time for that audience. People forget how big of a deal it was when microsoft chose to go broadband only with the first xbox. A LOT of people still had dial up back then, myself included. But they made the right decision.

Also, you think microsoft isn't alienating people already? Atleast by getting rid of the optical drive they could alienate them and save money at the same time. I'm sure apple alienated people when they released touch screen devices without input keys, but guess what? Forward looking individuals saw the value in it and they bought it anyways. The console does not need to be for everyone.



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had the xb one followed in the footsteps of the psp go we'd be forced to dub it the xb gone.


a home console without a disc drive is hella more alienating than even the current state of requiring an internet connection. a disc-less box would require an internet connection with significant bandwidth for downloading 20+ GB games. ..so like 70% of the market would be alienated.



wilco said:

Most people seem to think microsoft is doing too much to restrict gamers but I actually don't think thats their real problem. Their real problem is how convoluted and confusing those restrictions are. They are trying way to hard to please too many people. They will never find a "perfect balance between the needs of publishers, retailers and gamers." They're just going to piss all of them off.

Rather than boldly moving into the future, microsoft is trying to have it both ways. Everything they are doing is a half measure designed to take baby steps forward while not rocking the boat too much. If microsoft were really serious about moving forward here is what they should have done.

1. CREATE A CONSOLE WITHOUT AN OPTICAL DRIVE! One obvious advantage is that they would save money and could reduce the price of the console, but more importantly there would be no confusion about used games or internet requirements. It would be built in. No confusing, 10 person, 1 gifting, 30 days on friends list bull crap.... NO USED GAMES PERIOD. I personally would have much more respect for microsoft if they took a hardline stance rather than trying to throw petty crumbs at gamers. There would also be no question as to whether you need an internet connection... Yes you do, end of discussion. Obviously this would be problematic for a lot of gamers but many PC gamers are already used to this set up. They wouldn't have a problem with it as long as the messaging was clear and simple like it is on steam.

Had microsoft revealed xbox one without an optical drive gamers would've gotten the message. They would know that they were being dragged into the future and they would at the very least understand their choice. As it stands now, most gamers are just confused, nothing is being properly communicated. The reason sony's "were not changing anything" policy works, isn't just because its "not evil", its because its crazy simple. It doesn't require a 10 page rule book and people like that.

2. REPLACE THE CABLE BOX! Instead of trying to supplement the cable box with another huge box, microsoft should be replacing it. They should have entered a deal with AT&T, Verizon or maybe even Google to take on the major cable companies (comcast and the others). I'm sure Verizon or AT&T could use someone to help ease the burden. How can you be the "all in one" system when you're only supplementing the cable box?

When you try to make compromises to please everyone you usually end up pissing off everyone instead. Thats exactly what microsofts current system does. Despite all the caveats, gamers are still pissed off because they are losing rights, retailers are pissed off because of used game restrictions and/or day one digital downloads and publishers are pissed off because they still have to deal with brick and mortar retail and they WILL be pissed off when you're system isn't selling enough copies due to anti-consumer policies and confusing messaging. If microsoft really wants to be more like their idol Apple, they need to start making bold moves and stop with the half measures.

So you want them to remove the optical drive yet add a TV tuner.  Cost wise that's probably a wash.


Also, removing the optical drive has nothing to do with the 10 person, 1 gifting, etc. rules, since those rules apply to digital downloads too. 

 

Finally, NO USED GAMES period and ALWAYS on would go over WORSE for Microsoft.  I promise you.



Heavenly_King said:

By how their restrictions are, they should just not include a BR drive considering how your retail disk is pretty much worthless. BUT considering they are aiming to be your media center they need a BR; and If it was all digital (which it practically is) Gamestop would not sell the console. For me the vision of the console is disjointed in term of gaming aspects, media aspects, and how the market works. Those aspects seem to have been envisioned separately; and then in order to make both functions compatible the console ended costing more; without offering the advantage of the hardware it has; and with lots of restrictions gaming-wise; and quite a convoluted mess in the other aspects..


No they don't need a BR drive. You can get movies through the internet just like you get games, and assuming they are downloaded the quality will be equal to Blu Ray. For all we know BR could be irrelevant in 5 years but digital downloads are guaranteed to still be viable 10 years from now.

And as far as gamestop is concerned, I seriously doubt they would stop stocking it, but even if they did, that is where IPTV providers come in. If microsoft could get into business with a company like verizon they wouldn't even need gamestop anymore and seing as how gamestop even sells tablets now, I doubt they would stop stocking xbox anyways.



wilco said:
KungKras said:
Pretty sure it's the restrictions.....


You missed the point.

Well, the restrictions are also annoying.  But, let me know if I am understanding what is trying to be said here.  In this, in order to facilitate these restrictions, Microsoft is rolling out an array of options and configurations that make it confusing to understand.  If I got this, then it is interesting to bring it up.  So, it looks like Microsoft has the worst of both worlds: Restrictions on what people can and can't do, and complexity and confusion so it isn't clear.  Good design should be clear and liberating, not restricting and confusing.



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g911turbo said:

So you want them to remove the optical drive yet add a TV tuner.  Cost wise that's probably a wash.


Also, removing the optical drive has nothing to do with the 10 person, 1 gifting, etc. rules, since those rules apply to digital downloads too. 

 

Finally, NO USED GAMES period and ALWAYS on would go over WORSE for Microsoft.  I promise you.

In its current state those gifting rules just sound like confusing concessions that microsoft is making to appease gamers and most people are not falling for it. Honestly I don't think most gamers care about those concessions, they would be better off doing something less confusing. Or atleast not trying to parade those features around as if we should be grateful.

I'm not saying that getting rid of used games should be all they do. Prices should be lowered and microsoft should probably join with publishers to come up with some kind of program where games can be rented for significantly cheaper. At the end of the day if gamers are getting a discount they will forget all about used games. And I don't think the console should require always online, just required to download games. DRM policies don't work and I'm surprised MS hasn't figured that out by now.



Agreed should have just went all digital and have it be an actualy cable box. At least then it would not look like they were half assing anything IMHO



kitler53 said:
had the xb one followed in the footsteps of the psp go we'd be forced to dub it the xb gone.


a home console without a disc drive is hella more alienating than even the current state of requiring an internet connection. a disc-less box would require an internet connection with significant bandwidth for downloading 20+ GB games. ..so like 70% of the market would be alienated.

If the new OS allows background downloads and multi tasking then the size of the games might make it somewhat inconvenient but certainly not a deal breaker. And if the new OS allows you to play games while they download (I think it does), then its pretty much a non-issue.



or hell they could have just made two different SKUs a cheaper all digital one and the traditional console for a premium.That would please everyone (everyone that matters IE consumers)



1. Not having a Bluray drive would be crazy in their multimedia "one box" aspirations.

2. I think they got te balance just right as they will want to take advantage of the move of TV companies to the digital domain in the future rather than having a built in box which would add costs and little benefit.