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the2real4mafol on 01 June 2013
Soleron said:
archbrix said:
Both are stellar developers known for really pushing hardware and making great games.

Metroid Prime 3 and DKCR didn't push the hardware, and metascores of 87 and 90 are not stellar.

Let's face it, they're known for ONE game - Metroid Prime - which was both stellar and pushed the hardware. Most key staff had left after Prime or Prime 2. They're living on a memory.

Since when is 87 or 90 a bad score? Also, Donkey Kong is a brilliant franchise, second only to Mario (which DK started as well)



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melbye on 01 June 2013

I think Uncharted gets more praise than it deserves, i find certain things about those games tedious and they just seem to lack polish sometimes. Also rely way to much on movie-like set-pieces. On the other hand Metroid Prime is the best game i have ever played, MP2 was excellent and MP3 is my second-favorite game of the generation. DKCR was a marvelously produced game, but a waste of Retro's time



Soleron on 01 June 2013
the2real4mafol said:
Soleron said:
archbrix said:
Both are stellar developers known for really pushing hardware and making great games.

Metroid Prime 3 and DKCR didn't push the hardware, and metascores of 87 and 90 are not stellar.

Let's face it, they're known for ONE game - Metroid Prime - which was both stellar and pushed the hardware. Most key staff had left after Prime or Prime 2. They're living on a memory.

Since when is 87 or 90 a bad score? Also, Donkey Kong is a brilliant franchise, second only to Mario (which DK started as well)

What did Retro actually DO with DKCR? Took the game as is from SNES, put a 'NSMB' coat of graphics on it that frankly anyone could, and came up with some good level design for it. That doesn't show the team is capable of really standing out. They could have got Artoon to do it.

Or perhaps people's standards for what consitutes a praiseworthy studio are much lower now that the genre-defining studios of the past are gone, bought out or transformed?

I understand liking a game because you like it. I don't understand why there's a need to build up these kind of narratives for developers. You're just setting yourself up for disappointment, or even worse not realising how much better things could be; not letting the dev realise they could put so much more in a game.



OneHappyGamer:) on 01 June 2013
Soleron said:
archbrix said:
Both are stellar developers known for really pushing hardware and making great games.

Metroid Prime 3 and DKCR didn't push the hardware, and metascores of 87 and 90 are not stellar.

Let's face it, they're known for ONE game - Metroid Prime - which was both stellar and pushed the hardware. Most key staff had left after Prime or Prime 2. They're living on a memory.

DKCR could be the best 2D platformer I've ever played, and I've played A LOT! and its certainly the best Donkey Kong game, excluding DK64 so I don't get hate xD (I do however think DKCR is an overall much better game)



LilChicken22 on 01 June 2013
melbye said:
I think Uncharted gets more praise than it deserves, i find certain things about those games tedious and they just seem to lack polish sometimes. Also rely way to much on movie-like set-pieces. On the other hand Metroid Prime is the best game i have ever played, MP2 was excellent and MP3 is my second-favorite game of the generation. DKCR was a marvelously produced game, but a waste of Retro's time

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F0X on 01 June 2013
Soleron said:
the2real4mafol said:
Soleron said:
archbrix said:
Both are stellar developers known for really pushing hardware and making great games.

Metroid Prime 3 and DKCR didn't push the hardware, and metascores of 87 and 90 are not stellar.

Let's face it, they're known for ONE game - Metroid Prime - which was both stellar and pushed the hardware. Most key staff had left after Prime or Prime 2. They're living on a memory.

Since when is 87 or 90 a bad score? Also, Donkey Kong is a brilliant franchise, second only to Mario (which DK started as well)

What did Retro actually DO with DKCR? Took the game as is from SNES, put a 'NSMB' coat of graphics on it that frankly anyone could, and came up with some good level design for it. That doesn't show the team is capable of really standing out. They could have got Artoon to do it and it would have been basically the same.


Assuming that Artoon's level designers are nearly as good as Retro's.



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Soleron on 01 June 2013
F0X said:
Soleron said:

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What did Retro actually DO with DKCR? Took the game as is from SNES, put a 'NSMB' coat of graphics on it that frankly anyone could, and came up with some good level design for it. That doesn't show the team is capable of really standing out. They could have got Artoon to do it and it would have been basically the same.


Assuming that Artoon's level designers are nearly as good as Retro's.


Yoshi's Island DS was """""""""""""OK""""""""""""""""". When I played DKCR there wasn't anything more memorable or cool.



Soleron on 01 June 2013
OneHappyGamer:) said:

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DKCR could be the best 2D platformer I've ever played, and I've played A LOT! 

Than SMB3? Really?



the2real4mafol on 01 June 2013
Soleron said:
the2real4mafol said:
Soleron said:
archbrix said:
Both are stellar developers known for really pushing hardware and making great games.

Metroid Prime 3 and DKCR didn't push the hardware, and metascores of 87 and 90 are not stellar.

Let's face it, they're known for ONE game - Metroid Prime - which was both stellar and pushed the hardware. Most key staff had left after Prime or Prime 2. They're living on a memory.

Since when is 87 or 90 a bad score? Also, Donkey Kong is a brilliant franchise, second only to Mario (which DK started as well)

What did Retro actually DO with DKCR? Took the game as is from SNES, put a 'NSMB' coat of graphics on it that frankly anyone could, and came up with some good level design for it. That doesn't show the team is capable of really standing out. They could have got Artoon to do it and it would have been basically the same.

Donkey Kong Country was already a good game but didn't have a properly release for over 15 years, so why would they need to do anything but improve the graphics? It's no different to Mario really is it, both games have really stayed the same the whole time, they have just added some new stuff as they go along. Why mess with a perfect formula?  



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OneHappyGamer:) on 01 June 2013
Soleron said:
OneHappyGamer:) said:

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DKCR could be the best 2D platformer I've ever played, and I've played A LOT! 

Than SMB3? Really?

absolutly. I actually like Super Mario World a lot better then SMB3 anyway :p