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Nem said:
disolitude said:
Nem said:
disolitude said:
mtu9356 said:
disolitude said:

I guess the definition of games working vs being enjoyable and played as they are meant to can be argued here. I played Dead rising on xbox 360 on a 32 inch SD TV while I was at my friends cottage for a week. It wasn't nearly as fun as it was on my HDTv at home.

We don't know yet for sure since we don't know what will be available without internet, but similar situation may be applied about next gen games and internet.

You will deffinetly not have as much fun without internet, but this may come with reduced content available and not lack of visual stimulation in the SD vs HD debate last gen. People buckled down and bought HGTV's throughout last gen... so wouldn't it be fair to say that it may time to buckle down and get high speed internet durring this gen?


You really can't compare buying an hd tv (product) with paying for internet (service).

On a definition term basis you're absolutely right. they are 2 different things.

However on where our society and economy is at today VS back in 2005, I think they are comparable. Services are essentially the new products these days. Products tend to be free even but the tie in service is what you end up paying for...

Stop the presses! Marketing has just been re-invented by disolitude. Lets write new books and manuals because it all changed... or not. A product and a service are vastly different things, wich you seem to be mixing up with customer relationship. 

Sorry, but youre talking nonsense.


I am not sure what you are refering to here since you decided to reply with banter and sarcasm instead of comprehensable information.

I aknowledge the differences between services and producs...completely different things. All I said is that services are much more prominant in 2013 than 2005 so asking for a service subscription in order for a product to work properly isnt as far fetched as you kids make it seem.

Also there is the fact is that game companies have been trying to turn games in to a "service" instead of a "product" for many years, with season and all access passes, monthly memberships and free to play models eventually turning a game in to a service.

Even Xbox is expected to be sold at a discount if bundled with an xbl monthly service...this trend will only continue.


You said services are the new products. The definition and application of both concepts has not changed. Season passes and Acess passes are not services. Monthly and free to play are, so you're mixing things up.


The moment someone says "You said..." and tries to tell me what I said I know they are reaching.  

I know what I said and no I'm not mixing anything up... You're using a cut and dry definitions of services and products as it suits your argument. All I am implying is that the economy is becoming service oriented and not product oriented. Almost anything you buy will have somesort of a service attached to it. Buy a TV, they will try and sell you an extended warranty, which is a service. Buy a console, and they try to sell you a monthly membership like XBL and PSN, both of which are services. 

And how is a season pass not a service...You're buying an agreement that over a years time you will get access to DLC, maps, features and other things. No product is exchanged at the time of transaction. 



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disolitude said:
Nem said:
disolitude said:
Nem said:
disolitude said:
mtu9356 said:
disolitude said:

I guess the definition of games working vs being enjoyable and played as they are meant to can be argued here. I played Dead rising on xbox 360 on a 32 inch SD TV while I was at my friends cottage for a week. It wasn't nearly as fun as it was on my HDTv at home.

We don't know yet for sure since we don't know what will be available without internet, but similar situation may be applied about next gen games and internet.

You will deffinetly not have as much fun without internet, but this may come with reduced content available and not lack of visual stimulation in the SD vs HD debate last gen. People buckled down and bought HGTV's throughout last gen... so wouldn't it be fair to say that it may time to buckle down and get high speed internet durring this gen?


You really can't compare buying an hd tv (product) with paying for internet (service).

On a definition term basis you're absolutely right. they are 2 different things.

However on where our society and economy is at today VS back in 2005, I think they are comparable. Services are essentially the new products these days. Products tend to be free even but the tie in service is what you end up paying for...

Stop the presses! Marketing has just been re-invented by disolitude. Lets write new books and manuals because it all changed... or not. A product and a service are vastly different things, wich you seem to be mixing up with customer relationship. 

Sorry, but youre talking nonsense.


I am not sure what you are refering to here since you decided to reply with banter and sarcasm instead of comprehensable information.

I aknowledge the differences between services and producs...completely different things. All I said is that services are much more prominant in 2013 than 2005 so asking for a service subscription in order for a product to work properly isnt as far fetched as you kids make it seem.

Also there is the fact is that game companies have been trying to turn games in to a "service" instead of a "product" for many years, with season and all access passes, monthly memberships and free to play models eventually turning a game in to a service.

Even Xbox is expected to be sold at a discount if bundled with an xbl monthly service...this trend will only continue.


You said services are the new products. The definition and application of both concepts has not changed. Season passes and Acess passes are not services. Monthly and free to play are, so you're mixing things up.


The moment someone says "You said..." and tries to tell me what I said I know they are reaching.  

I know what I said and no I'm not mixing anything up... You're using a cut and dry definitions of services and products as it suits your argument. All I am implying is that the economy is becoming service oriented and not product oriented. Almost anything you buy will have somesort of a service attached to it. Buy a TV, they will try and sell you an extended warranty, which is a service. Buy a console, and they try to sell you a monthly membership like XBL and PSN, both of which are services. 

And how is a season pass not a service...You're buying an agreement that over a years time you will get access to DLC, maps, features and other things. No product is exchanged at the time of transaction. 


Right. You cant tell a product from a service and im reaching. I think theres no point in carrying on this argument.



Nem said:
disolitude said:
Nem said:
disolitude said:
Nem said:
disolitude said:
mtu9356 said:
disolitude said:

I guess the definition of games working vs being enjoyable and played as they are meant to can be argued here. I played Dead rising on xbox 360 on a 32 inch SD TV while I was at my friends cottage for a week. It wasn't nearly as fun as it was on my HDTv at home.

We don't know yet for sure since we don't know what will be available without internet, but similar situation may be applied about next gen games and internet.

You will deffinetly not have as much fun without internet, but this may come with reduced content available and not lack of visual stimulation in the SD vs HD debate last gen. People buckled down and bought HGTV's throughout last gen... so wouldn't it be fair to say that it may time to buckle down and get high speed internet durring this gen?


You really can't compare buying an hd tv (product) with paying for internet (service).

On a definition term basis you're absolutely right. they are 2 different things.

However on where our society and economy is at today VS back in 2005, I think they are comparable. Services are essentially the new products these days. Products tend to be free even but the tie in service is what you end up paying for...

Stop the presses! Marketing has just been re-invented by disolitude. Lets write new books and manuals because it all changed... or not. A product and a service are vastly different things, wich you seem to be mixing up with customer relationship. 

Sorry, but youre talking nonsense.


I am not sure what you are refering to here since you decided to reply with banter and sarcasm instead of comprehensable information.

I aknowledge the differences between services and producs...completely different things. All I said is that services are much more prominant in 2013 than 2005 so asking for a service subscription in order for a product to work properly isnt as far fetched as you kids make it seem.

Also there is the fact is that game companies have been trying to turn games in to a "service" instead of a "product" for many years, with season and all access passes, monthly memberships and free to play models eventually turning a game in to a service.

Even Xbox is expected to be sold at a discount if bundled with an xbl monthly service...this trend will only continue.


You said services are the new products. The definition and application of both concepts has not changed. Season passes and Acess passes are not services. Monthly and free to play are, so you're mixing things up.


The moment someone says "You said..." and tries to tell me what I said I know they are reaching.  

I know what I said and no I'm not mixing anything up... You're using a cut and dry definitions of services and products as it suits your argument. All I am implying is that the economy is becoming service oriented and not product oriented. Almost anything you buy will have somesort of a service attached to it. Buy a TV, they will try and sell you an extended warranty, which is a service. Buy a console, and they try to sell you a monthly membership like XBL and PSN, both of which are services. 

And how is a season pass not a service...You're buying an agreement that over a years time you will get access to DLC, maps, features and other things. No product is exchanged at the time of transaction. 


Right. You cant tell a product from a service and im reaching. I think theres no point in carrying on this argument.

Exactly cause you haven't made a single point that could be considered valid...



disolitude said:
Nem said:
disolitude said:
mtu9356 said:
disolitude said:

I guess the definition of games working vs being enjoyable and played as they are meant to can be argued here. I played Dead rising on xbox 360 on a 32 inch SD TV while I was at my friends cottage for a week. It wasn't nearly as fun as it was on my HDTv at home.

We don't know yet for sure since we don't know what will be available without internet, but similar situation may be applied about next gen games and internet.

You will deffinetly not have as much fun without internet, but this may come with reduced content available and not lack of visual stimulation in the SD vs HD debate last gen. People buckled down and bought HGTV's throughout last gen... so wouldn't it be fair to say that it may time to buckle down and get high speed internet durring this gen?


You really can't compare buying an hd tv (product) with paying for internet (service).

On a definition term basis you're absolutely right. they are 2 different things.

However on where our society and economy is at today VS back in 2005, I think they are comparable. Services are essentially the new products these days. Products tend to be free even but the tie in service is what you end up paying for...

Stop the presses! Marketing has just been re-invented by disolitude. Lets write new books and manuals because it all changed... or not. A product and a service are vastly different things, wich you seem to be mixing up with customer relationship. 

Sorry, but youre talking nonsense.


I am not sure what you are refering to here since you decided to reply with banter and sarcasm instead of comprehensable information.

I aknowledge the differences between services and producs...completely different things. All I said is that services are much more prominant in 2013 than 2005 so asking for a service subscription in order for a product to work properly isnt as far fetched as you kids make it seem.

Also there is the fact is that game companies have been trying to turn games in to a "service" instead of a "product" for many years, with season and all access passes, monthly memberships and free to play models eventually turning a game in to a service.

Even Xbox is expected to be sold at a discount if bundled with an xbl monthly service...this trend will only continue.


The problem still remains that much of the world(parts of the u.s. included) don't have the infrastructure to provide internet access.  This problem won't be going away anytime soon.



disolitude said:
Nem said:
disolitude said:
Nem said:
disolitude said:
Nem said:
disolitude said:
mtu9356 said:
disolitude said:

I guess the definition of games working vs being enjoyable and played as they are meant to can be argued here. I played Dead rising on xbox 360 on a 32 inch SD TV while I was at my friends cottage for a week. It wasn't nearly as fun as it was on my HDTv at home.

We don't know yet for sure since we don't know what will be available without internet, but similar situation may be applied about next gen games and internet.

You will deffinetly not have as much fun without internet, but this may come with reduced content available and not lack of visual stimulation in the SD vs HD debate last gen. People buckled down and bought HGTV's throughout last gen... so wouldn't it be fair to say that it may time to buckle down and get high speed internet durring this gen?


You really can't compare buying an hd tv (product) with paying for internet (service).

On a definition term basis you're absolutely right. they are 2 different things.

However on where our society and economy is at today VS back in 2005, I think they are comparable. Services are essentially the new products these days. Products tend to be free even but the tie in service is what you end up paying for...

Stop the presses! Marketing has just been re-invented by disolitude. Lets write new books and manuals because it all changed... or not. A product and a service are vastly different things, wich you seem to be mixing up with customer relationship. 

Sorry, but youre talking nonsense.


I am not sure what you are refering to here since you decided to reply with banter and sarcasm instead of comprehensable information.

I aknowledge the differences between services and producs...completely different things. All I said is that services are much more prominant in 2013 than 2005 so asking for a service subscription in order for a product to work properly isnt as far fetched as you kids make it seem.

Also there is the fact is that game companies have been trying to turn games in to a "service" instead of a "product" for many years, with season and all access passes, monthly memberships and free to play models eventually turning a game in to a service.

Even Xbox is expected to be sold at a discount if bundled with an xbl monthly service...this trend will only continue.


You said services are the new products. The definition and application of both concepts has not changed. Season passes and Acess passes are not services. Monthly and free to play are, so you're mixing things up.


The moment someone says "You said..." and tries to tell me what I said I know they are reaching.  

I know what I said and no I'm not mixing anything up... You're using a cut and dry definitions of services and products as it suits your argument. All I am implying is that the economy is becoming service oriented and not product oriented. Almost anything you buy will have somesort of a service attached to it. Buy a TV, they will try and sell you an extended warranty, which is a service. Buy a console, and they try to sell you a monthly membership like XBL and PSN, both of which are services. 

And how is a season pass not a service...You're buying an agreement that over a years time you will get access to DLC, maps, features and other things. No product is exchanged at the time of transaction. 


Right. You cant tell a product from a service and im reaching. I think theres no point in carrying on this argument.

Exactly cause you haven't made a single point that could be considered valid...


You dont know what your talking about but i will let you know this so its obvious to you aswell as everyone else that might not know. A service is recurrent. There, you cant tell i didnt teach you anything now. Now, refrain from talking about things you dont know about. This stubberness is unpleasant. You need to learn when its time to admit you dont know enough about the topic. There is nothing to be ashamed about. No one can know everything.



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If Sony is was waiting to see what would be the public's response to DRM.

They already have the answer.



mtu9356 said:
disolitude said:
Nem said:
disolitude said:
mtu9356 said:
disolitude said:

I guess the definition of games working vs being enjoyable and played as they are meant to can be argued here. I played Dead rising on xbox 360 on a 32 inch SD TV while I was at my friends cottage for a week. It wasn't nearly as fun as it was on my HDTv at home.

We don't know yet for sure since we don't know what will be available without internet, but similar situation may be applied about next gen games and internet.

You will deffinetly not have as much fun without internet, but this may come with reduced content available and not lack of visual stimulation in the SD vs HD debate last gen. People buckled down and bought HGTV's throughout last gen... so wouldn't it be fair to say that it may time to buckle down and get high speed internet durring this gen?


You really can't compare buying an hd tv (product) with paying for internet (service).

On a definition term basis you're absolutely right. they are 2 different things.

However on where our society and economy is at today VS back in 2005, I think they are comparable. Services are essentially the new products these days. Products tend to be free even but the tie in service is what you end up paying for...

Stop the presses! Marketing has just been re-invented by disolitude. Lets write new books and manuals because it all changed... or not. A product and a service are vastly different things, wich you seem to be mixing up with customer relationship. 

Sorry, but youre talking nonsense.


I am not sure what you are refering to here since you decided to reply with banter and sarcasm instead of comprehensable information.

I aknowledge the differences between services and producs...completely different things. All I said is that services are much more prominant in 2013 than 2005 so asking for a service subscription in order for a product to work properly isnt as far fetched as you kids make it seem.

Also there is the fact is that game companies have been trying to turn games in to a "service" instead of a "product" for many years, with season and all access passes, monthly memberships and free to play models eventually turning a game in to a service.

Even Xbox is expected to be sold at a discount if bundled with an xbl monthly service...this trend will only continue.


The problem still remains that much of the world(parts of the u.s. included) don't have the infrastructure to provide internet access.  This problem won't be going away anytime soon.


But will those people have the need for a 400+ dollar gaming entertainment hub in their livingroom?

Im not saying there won't be an odd person here and there who really has internet roadblocks but would like to own a entertainment center like Xbox One. The % of those people will be relatively low in my opinion. 

The way I see it:

If you have no high speed internet, and no way of getting internet you are not in a market for a next gen console for different reasons

If you have high speed internet available, but can't afford it, again you are not in the market for the next gen consoles

if you have high speed internet but its "spotty" and disconnects often, you should be able to enjoy the console as you would any other console (single player mostly, multiplayer when internet is available)



Nem said:
disolitude said:
Nem said:


Right. You cant tell a product from a service and im reaching. I think theres no point in carrying on this argument.

Exactly cause you haven't made a single point that could be considered valid...


You dont know what your talking about but i will let you know this so its obvious to you aswell as everyone else that might not know. A service is recurrent. There, you cant tell i didnt teach you anything now. Now, refrain from talking about things you dont know about. This stubberness is unpleasant. You need to learn when its time to admit you dont know enough about the topic. There is nothing to be ashamed about. No one can know everything.


Lol I know a hell of a lot more about DRM than you think but have no need to explain anything to you since you are still not making any points yourself. Just leeching on what other people are saying and saying they are wrong.

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I have bullet holes everywhere on my body from the start of this war over the used game issue with the xbox one. It's only fair you guys feel the same lol



It's just that simple.

It would be funny if EA and Activision purposely give the Xbox One multiplats a one month exclusivity window until Sony adopts what they want.

It is just a hard idea to believe that they demand MS follow through but not Sony. Either both do it or none do it.

Nintendo goes their own way, as usual.



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles.