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that's happening all around the western(industrialised)world-and i think it is part of pushing the UN agenda 21.

Constituion and human rights are threatened by the NDAA in the united states though many many human rights were already taken away by the patriots act ect.
in canada it is bill 78
in germany the use of military inside the own country was allowed last year though it is 100% unconstitutional (germany has no real constitution,it is called basic law,but it is almost the same)
paramilitaric eurogendfor was established in EU
England is also giving more and more power to the police and since 2008 you can be arrested without warrant for 42 days.



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Troll_Whisperer said:
Otakumegane said:
Isn't Japan like really scared of Western individualism flowing in?

I mean I can understand why they would be but just curious.

I wouldn't say that scares them, I've never noticed that sentiment. Never specifically mentioning Western culture, it's not like they're too exposed to it anyway.

But Japanese people value safety and order highly. Too highly in my opinion. You can see this even in small details like how many warnings and signs there are everywhere, about things you'd expect people to figure out by themselves. From elevators not shutting the fuck up to detailed instructions in the toilet about how to flush and how to change a roll.

Or not so small things like people wearing masks all the time or speakers in towns telling kids to go home at 5pm because it's "dangerous" to stay outside.


Well... and the Xenophobia which is causing them a huge demographics issue that is totally going to collapse their economy in a maxium of 2 generations.



Huh.  Based on their economic policies of going from SUPER stimulus to, Ungodly giant stimulus Ii thought they were supposed to be the LEFT wing.  Guess it's Berlusconi all over again.

That there are super japanese warhawks is really no surprise really.

I mean, they're stuck in an area with "dangerous" countries on the upswing, and still forbidden to have a "real" standing army by an ally, for a war that happened over heal a century ago.


Had we pushed their government to pass a change allowing them to have a standing army.  Chances are their army wouldn't be much bigger then the JDF... and there probably wouldn't be such a huge sentiment towards a lot of these measures.

 



Kasz216 said:

Huh.  Based on their economic policies of going from SUPER stimulus to, Ungodly giant stimulus Ii thought they were supposed to be the LEFT wing.  Guess it's Berlusconi all over again.

That there are super japanese warhawks is really no surprise really.

I mean, they're stuck in an area with "dangerous" countries on the upswing, and still forbidden to have a "real" standing army by an ally, for a war that happened over heal a century ago.


Had we pushed their government to pass a change allowing them to have a standing army.  Chances are their army wouldn't be much bigger then the JDF... and there probably wouldn't be such a huge sentiment towards a lot of these measures.

 

Berlusconi isn't really left wing or right wing. He just does whatever fits his interests.

He started his political career in the Italian Socialist party. He left it when the tangentopoli or mani pulite corruption scandal become public and founded his own party, Forza Italia, supposedly a right wing one. Many ex-members from the Italian Socialist party joined Forza Italia too.

I doubt the japanese politicians are the same.



Player2 said:
Kasz216 said:

Huh.  Based on their economic policies of going from SUPER stimulus to, Ungodly giant stimulus Ii thought they were supposed to be the LEFT wing.  Guess it's Berlusconi all over again.

That there are super japanese warhawks is really no surprise really.

I mean, they're stuck in an area with "dangerous" countries on the upswing, and still forbidden to have a "real" standing army by an ally, for a war that happened over heal a century ago.


Had we pushed their government to pass a change allowing them to have a standing army.  Chances are their army wouldn't be much bigger then the JDF... and there probably wouldn't be such a huge sentiment towards a lot of these measures.

 

Berlusconi isn't really left wing or right wing. He just does whatever fits his interests.

He started his political career in the Italian Socialist party. He left it when the tangentopoli or mani pulite corruption scandal become public and founded his own party, Forza Italia, supposedly a right wing one. Many ex-members from the Italian Socialist party joined Forza Italia too.

I doubt the japanese politicians are the same.

Japanese politics are kind of similar in that regard: lots of defections and unwieldy parties, although from what little i've read of Italian politics, Japanese political parties seem to live longer.

LDP is much like Russia's "United Russia," in that it's not conservative per se, it's just the "party of power" that perpetually runs things, and so is an unwieldy combination of moderates, mild authoritarians, nationalists, and free-market libertarians.



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Mr Khan said:
Player2 said:
Kasz216 said:

Huh.  Based on their economic policies of going from SUPER stimulus to, Ungodly giant stimulus Ii thought they were supposed to be the LEFT wing.  Guess it's Berlusconi all over again.

That there are super japanese warhawks is really no surprise really.

I mean, they're stuck in an area with "dangerous" countries on the upswing, and still forbidden to have a "real" standing army by an ally, for a war that happened over heal a century ago.


Had we pushed their government to pass a change allowing them to have a standing army.  Chances are their army wouldn't be much bigger then the JDF... and there probably wouldn't be such a huge sentiment towards a lot of these measures.

 

Berlusconi isn't really left wing or right wing. He just does whatever fits his interests.

He started his political career in the Italian Socialist party. He left it when the tangentopoli or mani pulite corruption scandal become public and founded his own party, Forza Italia, supposedly a right wing one. Many ex-members from the Italian Socialist party joined Forza Italia too.

I doubt the japanese politicians are the same.

Japanese politics are kind of similar in that regard: lots of defections and unwieldy parties, although from what little i've read of Italian politics, Japanese political parties seem to live longer.

LDP is much like Russia's "United Russia," in that it's not conservative per se, it's just the "party of power" that perpetually runs things, and so is an unwieldy combination of moderates, mild authoritarians, nationalists, and free-market libertarians.

Free Market Libretarians?  I feel like you just threw them in their because you don't like them.   Japanese economic policies are the exact opposite of that.  Hell it's "You better deflate our currency more or we'll take you over and force you to deflate!"

Their economic policy has been the very model of pure outmoded Keynsianism and has only ramped up in recent years.



Kasz216 said:
Mr Khan said:
Player2 said:
Kasz216 said:

Huh.  Based on their economic policies of going from SUPER stimulus to, Ungodly giant stimulus Ii thought they were supposed to be the LEFT wing.  Guess it's Berlusconi all over again.

That there are super japanese warhawks is really no surprise really.

I mean, they're stuck in an area with "dangerous" countries on the upswing, and still forbidden to have a "real" standing army by an ally, for a war that happened over heal a century ago.


Had we pushed their government to pass a change allowing them to have a standing army.  Chances are their army wouldn't be much bigger then the JDF... and there probably wouldn't be such a huge sentiment towards a lot of these measures.

 

Berlusconi isn't really left wing or right wing. He just does whatever fits his interests.

He started his political career in the Italian Socialist party. He left it when the tangentopoli or mani pulite corruption scandal become public and founded his own party, Forza Italia, supposedly a right wing one. Many ex-members from the Italian Socialist party joined Forza Italia too.

I doubt the japanese politicians are the same.

Japanese politics are kind of similar in that regard: lots of defections and unwieldy parties, although from what little i've read of Italian politics, Japanese political parties seem to live longer.

LDP is much like Russia's "United Russia," in that it's not conservative per se, it's just the "party of power" that perpetually runs things, and so is an unwieldy combination of moderates, mild authoritarians, nationalists, and free-market libertarians.

Free Market Libretarians?  I feel like you just threw them in their because you don't like them.   Japanese economic policies are the exact opposite of that.  Hell it's "You better deflate our currency more or we'll take you over and force you to deflate!"

Their economic policy has been the very model of pure outmoded Keynsianism and has only ramped up in recent years.

No, they're in there too. The old head of the Bank Of Japan was a diehard classical, being the reason why investors rushed headlong to the Yen, because the Bank of Japan was the only major economy head bank that wasn't manically the economy full of money (to the huge disadvantage of Japan's electronics sector, among others)



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Mr Khan said:
Kasz216 said:
Mr Khan said:
Player2 said:
Kasz216 said:

Huh.  Based on their economic policies of going from SUPER stimulus to, Ungodly giant stimulus Ii thought they were supposed to be the LEFT wing.  Guess it's Berlusconi all over again.

That there are super japanese warhawks is really no surprise really.

I mean, they're stuck in an area with "dangerous" countries on the upswing, and still forbidden to have a "real" standing army by an ally, for a war that happened over heal a century ago.


Had we pushed their government to pass a change allowing them to have a standing army.  Chances are their army wouldn't be much bigger then the JDF... and there probably wouldn't be such a huge sentiment towards a lot of these measures.

 

Berlusconi isn't really left wing or right wing. He just does whatever fits his interests.

He started his political career in the Italian Socialist party. He left it when the tangentopoli or mani pulite corruption scandal become public and founded his own party, Forza Italia, supposedly a right wing one. Many ex-members from the Italian Socialist party joined Forza Italia too.

I doubt the japanese politicians are the same.

Japanese politics are kind of similar in that regard: lots of defections and unwieldy parties, although from what little i've read of Italian politics, Japanese political parties seem to live longer.

LDP is much like Russia's "United Russia," in that it's not conservative per se, it's just the "party of power" that perpetually runs things, and so is an unwieldy combination of moderates, mild authoritarians, nationalists, and free-market libertarians.

Free Market Libretarians?  I feel like you just threw them in their because you don't like them.   Japanese economic policies are the exact opposite of that.  Hell it's "You better deflate our currency more or we'll take you over and force you to deflate!"

Their economic policy has been the very model of pure outmoded Keynsianism and has only ramped up in recent years.

No, they're in there too. The old head of the Bank Of Japan was a diehard classical, being the reason why investors rushed headlong to the Yen, because the Bank of Japan was the only major economy head bank that wasn't manically the economy full of money (to the huge disadvantage of Japan's electronics sector, among others)


That's not true though.  It mayhave seemed like Shirakawa wasn't doing anything... but that's because he's been doing things for decades

Classical economists and Libretarians aren't really the same thing.

While free market Libretarians draw cues from classicalists, the difference is, current classicalists think they can change the market...

and are generally the economic mainstream.  Heck, Monetarism is considered classical economics. 



I don't know if we can trust Japan with an army, after all that they did in the war. I know it was a long time ago but you can't forget the shit they did. But Japan does need to protect itself against China and North Korea, in case something kicks off and if these changes mean it isn't a blind US puppet any more, then good. But, on the other hand, if Japan went towards a dictatorship which would censor the media, discriminate against women, allow the state to become more like China's who could do what they like with people. I just don't know, Japan is in a shitty position right now and going back 10 steps is not the way. It should have the military again, but not the society associated with Imperial Japan. So much for being called the Liberal Democrats, how misleading!



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the2real4mafol said:
So much for being called the Liberal Democrats, how misleading!

Not as misleading as the Democratic People's Republic of Korea...