J_Allard said: lol @ Halo 4 having almost 5,500,000 people online on day one.

Day one? The first day in my graph is November 7th... the second real day.

This number means populations and not unique users... the numbers of unique users is less than that.... and the online split screen counts for 2 players.

What make the numbers for today even worst.

ethomaz said: And for these that talk about the Halo 3 MP didn't have competition and forgot the Reach MP had competition and the number of players was way better than Halo 4 MP. So stop with false excuses to try to avoid the reality. For me what changed in the wrong way in the Halo 4 MP: - Loadouts segregate player base and negate player skill - Granades are useless - Skill are useless - Vehicles are useless - Ordnance system promotes camping - Bad armor choices - Unlock system is broke - Bad maps choices Everything that makes Halo MP AWESOME and UNIQUE is not present in Halo 4 MP... it is a good MP but no more awesome... it is more like CoD now (for CoD I have CoD).

So all other Halos had awsome and unique MP?...I'm sure if someone could be bothered they would find you making a direct statement to the contrary at some point since you signed up in 2007.

On the first bolded point, I don't think anyone really cares or is interested in the slightest who actually likes Halo.

You're clearly not really concerned about the quality of MP in Halo 4 and are just after a good old bit of gloating using numbers you track down specifically to prove a notion that you drew before even knowing the numbers. It's what you always do, you'd make a fabulous tabeloid journalist that's for sure.

Sales speak for themselves and you can't really deny that Halo 4 sold damn well, which is the most important thing - since we all know this is about trying to make Halo 4 look bad and nothing at all to do with MP.

fillet said: So all other Halos had awsome and unique MP?...I'm sure if someone could be bothered they would find you making a direct statement to the contrary at some point since you signed up in 2007. On the first bolded point, I don't think anyone really cares or is interested in the slightest who actually likes Halo. You're clearly not really concerned about the quality of MP in Halo 4 and are just after a good old bit of gloating using numbers you track down specifically to prove a notion that you drew before even knowing the numbers. It's what you always do, you'd make a fabulous tabeloid journalist that's for sure. Sales speak for themselves and you can't really deny that Halo 4 sold damn well, which is the most important thing - since we all know this is about trying to make Halo 4 look bad and nothing at all to do with MP.

Halo 4 SP is GREAT... that is a fact... I liked it... it is better in some aspects than Halo 3 SP.
Halo 4 MP not so much... it is good... not great... not Halo MP WOW factor... Halo 3 MP and Halo 2 MP are way better than Halo 4 MP.

And the numbers are in my side... Great Retail sales = Great SP... Low MP user activity = Not great MP.

PS. @kowen knows me since I entered in VGC... can ask to him. I always defended and said goods things to Halo franchise... Halo and Gears was the only motive to me play 360... and I bet that you can't find any bad old comments about Halo 3 in any place... it is in my TOP10 games in this generation because the EPIC MP.

ethomaz said: J_Allard said: lol @ Halo 4 having almost 5,500,000 people online on day one. Day one? The first day in my graph is November 7th... the second real day. This number means populations and not unique users... the numbers of unique users is less than that.... and the online split screen counts for 2 players. What make the numbers for today even worst.

I know that's the first day in your graph, hence "day one". It's the first full day of numbers HaloCharts provides you. And I know it's not unique users. That was the point. The link shows 5.2 million players for November 7th but that's not really 5.2 million players. Just pointing out how irrelevant those numbers are. You can make a chart like this for every MP game ever released.

On your day 151 it still got over 330k "players". In order to say this is a flop you'd need the same chart for 3 and Reach, and even then the numbers would not be 1:1 because neither of those games have the competition Halo 4 does. If you go back and look at past Live activity charts, Reach was #3 and #4 around its 5 month mark, behind two CoD games and something else. Had it had Minecraft to go against, it would have been #4 or #5. Just like Halo 4.

Again, there is a difference between losing some popularity versus past titles and being a flop.

J_Allard said: I know that's the first day in your graph, hence "day one". It's the first full day of numbers HaloCharts provides you. And I know it's not unique users. That was the point. The link shows 5.2 million players for November 7th but that's not really 5.2 million players. Just pointing out how irrelevant those numbers are. You can make a chart like this for every MP game ever released. On your day 151 it still got over 330k "players". In order to say this is a flop you'd need the same chart for 3 and Reach, and even then the numbers would not be 1:1 because neither of those games have the competition Halo 4 does. If you go back and look at past Live activity charts, Reach was #3 and #4 around its 5 month mark, behind two CoD games and something else. Had it had Minecraft to go against, it would have been #4 or #5. Just like Halo 4. Again, there is a difference between losing some popularity versus past titles and being a flop.

Happy now?

http://forums.bungie.org/halo/archive36.pl?read=1074439 * please check the link to see how depressing these Halo 4 numbers are... and yes Halo 3 after four years still put these numbers *

Ops... I forgot to say the community are not happy with the Reach MP numbers compared to Halo 3 MP too... Halo 4 MP numbers are way below what Reach MP showed too.

I'm not trolling or trying to downgrade Halo 4... I'm just showing the MP was a step back compared to previous Halos... so it lost a lot of popularity and now it even slow dying for a Halo MP (the number are good if you compare with others not Halo games).

Edit - fixed the not lol.

All I see in that link are numbers the guy admits may not be right and confirmation that people were making this exact same thread for Halo Reach LOL. And like I said, the comparison is not 1:1. Would be interesting to see Halo 4 UU numbers.

J_Allard said: All I see in that link are numbers the guy admits may not be right and confirmation that people were making this exact same thread for Halo Reach LOL. And like I said, the comparison is not 1:1. Would be interesting to see Halo 4 UU numbers.

Unique users are always less then Population lol lol lol

Duh? I don't recall saying otherwise lol lol lol

J_Allard said: Duh? I don't recall saying otherwise lol lol lol

Please, don't go in this way because you will make the Halo 4 MP numbers ever worst ... they are good when compared to any other MP shooter game except CoD and previous Halos.