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N64 wasn't bad.



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J_Allard said:
N64 wasn't bad.


Game wise? no not really...but from a developer standpoint Nintendo basically Pissed in everyone's faces and told them it was raining



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"In video game terms, RPGs are games that involve a form of separate battles taking place with a specialized battle system and the use of a system that increases your power through a form of points.

Sure, what you say is the definition, but the connotation of RPGs is what they are in video games." - dtewi

ShadowSoldier said:
J_Allard said:
N64 wasn't bad.


Game wise? no not really...but from a developer standpoint Nintendo basically Pissed in everyone's faces and told them it was raining

I think they did ok. Still profited tons of money and put out amazing games. Nintendo won and gamers won with that console. Not sure how anyone could compare it to the PS3, which cost Sony billions, and Saturn, which was a disaster for Sega.



J_Allard said:
ShadowSoldier said:
J_Allard said:
N64 wasn't bad.


Game wise? no not really...but from a developer standpoint Nintendo basically Pissed in everyone's faces and told them it was raining

I think they did ok. Still profited tons of money and put out amazing games. Nintendo won and gamers won with that console. Not sure how anyone could compare it to the PS3, which cost Sony billions, and Saturn, which was a disaster for Sega.

I was pointing out to the way the Market and History remembers that console....a failure when stacked up to the PS1 which was the new kid on the block and effectively handed Nintendo its ass



Black Women Are The Most Beautiful Women On The Planet.

"In video game terms, RPGs are games that involve a form of separate battles taking place with a specialized battle system and the use of a system that increases your power through a form of points.

Sure, what you say is the definition, but the connotation of RPGs is what they are in video games." - dtewi

So this is on the front page of reddit. A lot of people are really upset.



I was walking down along the street and I heard this voice saying, "Good evening, Mr. Dowd." Well, I turned around and here was this big six-foot rabbit leaning up against a lamp-post. Well, I thought nothing of that because when you've lived in a town as long as I've lived in this one, you get used to the fact that everybody knows your name.

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HesAPooka said:
So this is on the front page of reddit. A lot of people are really upset.

It's just marketing, I'm telling you.



theprof00 said:
HesAPooka said:
So this is on the front page of reddit. A lot of people are really upset.

It's just marketing, I'm telling you.


Maybe you're right, but as it stands it seems xbox has lost quite a few customers.



I was walking down along the street and I heard this voice saying, "Good evening, Mr. Dowd." Well, I turned around and here was this big six-foot rabbit leaning up against a lamp-post. Well, I thought nothing of that because when you've lived in a town as long as I've lived in this one, you get used to the fact that everybody knows your name.

VGKing said:
Surprised no one has said this yet but WHAT IF THE NEXT XBOX REALLY IS JUST LIKE A CABLE BOX AND IS SOLD WITH A CONTRACT/SUBSCRIPTION? That's the only way that "always-on" makes sense.

This is probably even worse though as it means the only way to buy the next Xbox is to get into a contract with Microsoft.


I'm sure this is their plan. The only way I see it working though is if they've partnered with one of the big cable/net/phone providers (without net included it's a fing disaster).

For all it's potential problems (the main one i see is ownership rights to software/games) I actually see this as the direction the market is heading, just like phones, where hardware is directly subsidised by a fully service based model of consumption.

It just solves so many problems for the platform holder;  a service based/subsidised model means they don't have to loose their asses on hardware costs (typically sold at a loss early in a console cycle), and the low price of entry for the box has the potential for a sigificantly increased install base/market penetration. It's arguably a better business model than the 10 year hope we make our money back model that's currently in place.

The problems of this model; loosing customers if network stability is an issue, poorly implemented drm, overly intrusive online practices, and loss of potential customers who live in areas/countries without access good internet are solvable, but only if the always on/service based model is offered along side a traditional offline box/brick and mortar type model.

Until they reveal the system we can't know for sure, but the benfits verses problems of always online is not so simple. I'm sure microsoft has better info about all of these factors and is going to gamble it's dollars based on a lot more than the average customer or fan has access to...



ShadowSoldier said:
J_Allard said:
ShadowSoldier said:
J_Allard said:
N64 wasn't bad.


Game wise? no not really...but from a developer standpoint Nintendo basically Pissed in everyone's faces and told them it was raining

I think they did ok. Still profited tons of money and put out amazing games. Nintendo won and gamers won with that console. Not sure how anyone could compare it to the PS3, which cost Sony billions, and Saturn, which was a disaster for Sega.

I was pointing out to the way the Market and History remembers that console....a failure when stacked up to the PS1 which was the new kid on the block and effectively handed Nintendo its ass


 

So when you guys say "cursed" you're just talking forum fodder and sales charts? Because the N64 was a tremendous success in the market for Nintendo. Yeah Sony might have "handed Nintendo its ass" in terms of hardware sold, but they sold at a loss to do it. Something that, over their course in the market, has not done them any favors.



ShadowSoldier said:
D-Joe said:
ShadowSoldier said:
D-Joe said:
ShadowSoldier said:
3rd Console Curse CONFIRMED!

Oh this is so sweet. I've been pissed at MS when they stopped giving a fuck about the gamer and cared only about Kincet!....my 360 has been collecting dust alongside my Wii

About this i never understand

Becuase was GC sold better than N64 or DC saved SEGA?


Im sorry...what?..I cant understand what you mean exactly

N64,3rd console

GC,4th console

Which one sold better?

Irrelevant. the N64 was the first Nintendo console to lose major support from both Gamers and Developers they moved down the food chain....Same with Sega and the Saturn it saw them fall instead of being able to hold their position or move on up the food chain...same with the PS3.....Sony saw themselves from the top of the foodchain to the bottom to at best second place...3rd Console Curse and MS seems to be repeating those mistakes...Someone on Gaf said it best...why is it by the 3rd console these companies think their God's gift to gaming and get all arrogant?

Oh so PS4 will sold worse than PS3 or make Sony leave gaming?it's irrelevant,but it's irrelevant about whatever it's 1st,2nd,3rd,4th,or 999th console,if it need to be flopped,it will flop,not matter what