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ethomaz said:

hasonap said:

Yeah and until that happens you just can't go and just rub it into everybody face that these rumors are actual "concrete specs!" You have no proof of it unless you count rumors which would mean that you live in a fantasy 'cause rarely does rumors mean 100% truth.

+1 to Machiavellian

What?

Eurogamer only said.

So the question of the hour is, just how accurate is the information? Based on our communications with the leaker, the data appears genuine - the only real question is how recent it is. The proof presented by the source suggests that the data is at most nine months old: factoring in how long it takes to create a console, the chances are that there will not be many changes implemented since then.

That the same thing I said to you in the first post... the leak is real/genuine... there no change to have a change without delay the console release to 2014. 

-1 on you too I'm just +1 this ------>

When you stated that all of these sites have confirmed the leak as legit, whos to say its not from the SAME source.  If the same source is misinformed than where does that leave us.

All those bolded words means that the article is in no way trying to confirm the timetable it's just giving us a rather rough guess based on that leaker



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hasonap said:

-1 on you too I'm just +1 this ------>

When you stated that all of these sites have confirmed the leak as legit, whos to say its not from the SAME source.  If the same source is misinformed than where does that leave us.

Do you realize that was the @Machiavellian comment?

Anyway Eurogamer confirmed the leaks like every other site.



Xbox 720 release date, specs, news and rumours

Posted on 3 Apr 2013 at 14:08, by Seth Barton

This site mentions dual APU/GPUs too.

"PROCESSOR AND GRAPHICS - updated 26/03/13
As with the PS4, the Xbox 720 looks certain to use AMD graphics hardware. VG247 reports that multiple sources have confirmed to it that the console will use two GPUs in tandem, it goes on to say that these won't be used in the usual 'CrossFire' configuration seen in PCs. We're not sure about all this as complex hardware architectures have been the failing of many consoles in the past, as a simple architecture is easier for developers to get to grips with quickly.

Other rumours have also spoken of dual graphics chips, though these may be referring to a powerful separate GPU and a smaller one integrated into the processor – much like many modern laptops. This would allow for greater power efficiency (and less noise) during media playback, with the main GPU only kicking in for games."


http://www.expertreviews.co.uk/games/1296739/xbox-720-release-date-specs-news-and-rumours



The specs of the HMC memory come into finalization phase

Written by Leo D. | April 03, 2013 at 19: 30


As we said you yesterday, the end of Moore's law is close, at least for AMD and, to a lesser extent, its head of architecture GPU John Gustafson. But there are many ways to consider the future, as for example, processors manufactured by successive layers, there where there is for current processors as a 2D surface. The interest is that it becomes possible to multiply the cores easily, and all the more simple to connect them together.



That a possible pathway for research, to continue to increase the performance of the processors, it is possible that this is not the CPU that were the first to make the jump to the tridimension. Indeed, the HMCC or Hybrid Memory Cube Consortium, which includes heavyweights such as Samsung, Hynix, Micron and Microsoft, but also the members count as ARM, HP and IBM as well as Xilinx and Open-Silicon, has released version 1 of the specifications of the eponymous memory (HMC therefore), with a little delay since the deadline of the consortium had previously been set at end 2012.



It is therefore a real step towards the commercialization of such RAM modules. Their structure is similar to the hypothetical 3D processors: it's stacked layers with each other and connected between them, here with a technology called TSV for Through-Silicon Vias ("routes through the Silicon").



Micron had already demonstrated one of his prototypes in 2012, a memory that spouted from 128 GB/s, ten times more than what is able to DDR3. But it wasn't his only advantage: it also consumed 70% less energy during a data transfer, obviously, what did turn some heads on the side of manufacturers of mobile machines. But given prices inherent in this technology, Micron had said at the time apply mainly to the High Performance Computing (HPC).

http://www.microsofttranslator.com/bv.aspx?from=fr&to=en&a=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.comptoir-hardware.com%2Factus%2Fram%2F20954-les-specs-de-la-memoire-hmc-entrent-en-phase-de-finalisation.html



ethomaz said:

hasonap said:

-1 on you too I'm just +1 this ------>

When you stated that all of these sites have confirmed the leak as legit, whos to say its not from the SAME source.  If the same source is misinformed than where does that leave us.

Do you realize that was the @Machiavellian comment?

Anyway Eurogamer confirmed the leaks like every other site.


Ehhh yeah I know that, I'm just agreeing with that point since it could make sense or are you in a position that says that "all those sources are different leakers and not one is the same"?



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Cyrus_ATX said:
Xbox 720 release date, specs, news and rumours

Posted on 3 Apr 2013 at 14:08, by Seth Barton

This site mentions dual APU/GPUs too.

"PROCESSOR AND GRAPHICS - updated 26/03/13
As with the PS4, the Xbox 720 looks certain to use AMD graphics hardware. VG247 reports that multiple sources have confirmed to it that the console will use two GPUs in tandem, it goes on to say that these won't be used in the usual 'CrossFire' configuration seen in PCs. We're not sure about all this as complex hardware architectures have been the failing of many consoles in the past, as a simple architecture is easier for developers to get to grips with quickly.

Other rumours have also spoken of dual graphics chips, though these may be referring to a powerful separate GPU and a smaller one integrated into the processor – much like many modern laptops. This would allow for greater power efficiency (and less noise) during media playback, with the main GPU only kicking in for games."


http://www.expertreviews.co.uk/games/1296739/xbox-720-release-date-specs-news-and-rumours

The VG247 report about dual-gpu is early 2012 already proved wrong by VG247.

http://www.vg247.com/2012/04/02/xbox-720-detailed-blu-ray-inside-always-on-netcon-required/



hasonap said:

Ehhh yeah I know that, I'm just agreeing with that point since it could make sense or are you in a position that says that "all those sources are different leakers and not one is the same"?

All the sources are pointing to the same hardware because these are the real specs.



ethomaz said:
Cyrus_ATX said:
Xbox 720 release date, specs, news and rumours

Posted on 3 Apr 2013 at 14:08, by Seth Barton

This site mentions dual APU/GPUs too.

"PROCESSOR AND GRAPHICS - updated 26/03/13
As with the PS4, the Xbox 720 looks certain to use AMD graphics hardware. VG247 reports that multiple sources have confirmed to it that the console will use two GPUs in tandem, it goes on to say that these won't be used in the usual 'CrossFire' configuration seen in PCs. We're not sure about all this as complex hardware architectures have been the failing of many consoles in the past, as a simple architecture is easier for developers to get to grips with quickly.

Other rumours have also spoken of dual graphics chips, though these may be referring to a powerful separate GPU and a smaller one integrated into the processor – much like many modern laptops. This would allow for greater power efficiency (and less noise) during media playback, with the main GPU only kicking in for games."


http://www.expertreviews.co.uk/games/1296739/xbox-720-release-date-specs-news-and-rumours

The VG247 report is from early 2012.

http://www.vg247.com/2012/04/02/xbox-720-detailed-blu-ray-inside-always-on-netcon-required/

Which means that it is simply not right and just false, is that what you are trying to tell us? 



Cyrus_ATX said:
The specs of the HMC memory come into finalization phase

Written by Leo D. | April 03, 2013 at 19: 30


As we said you yesterday, the end of Moore's law is close, at least for AMD and, to a lesser extent, its head of architecture GPU John Gustafson. But there are many ways to consider the future, as for example, processors manufactured by successive layers, there where there is for current processors as a 2D surface. The interest is that it becomes possible to multiply the cores easily, and all the more simple to connect them together.



That a possible pathway for research, to continue to increase the performance of the processors, it is possible that this is not the CPU that were the first to make the jump to the tridimension. Indeed, the HMCC or Hybrid Memory Cube Consortium, which includes heavyweights such as Samsung, Hynix, Micron and Microsoft, but also the members count as ARM, HP and IBM as well as Xilinx and Open-Silicon, has released version 1 of the specifications of the eponymous memory (HMC therefore), with a little delay since the deadline of the consortium had previously been set at end 2012.



It is therefore a real step towards the commercialization of such RAM modules. Their structure is similar to the hypothetical 3D processors: it's stacked layers with each other and connected between them, here with a technology called TSV for Through-Silicon Vias ("routes through the Silicon").



Micron had already demonstrated one of his prototypes in 2012, a memory that spouted from 128 GB/s, ten times more than what is able to DDR3. But it wasn't his only advantage: it also consumed 70% less energy during a data transfer, obviously, what did turn some heads on the side of manufacturers of mobile machines. But given prices inherent in this technology, Micron had said at the time apply mainly to the High Performance Computing (HPC).

http://www.microsofttranslator.com/bv.aspx?from=fr&to=en&a=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.comptoir-hardware.com%2Factus%2Fram%2F20954-les-specs-de-la-memoire-hmc-entrent-en-phase-de-finalisation.html

This is not X720 related... this is a new memory tech created by a group with Microsoft.



hasonap said:

Which means that it is simply not right and just false, is that what you are trying to tell us?

The first X720 in early 2012 have a dual-gpu inside... that was a prototipe... the final specs leaked in early 2013 are the true specs based in the latest devkit... there are no more time for changes.