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dsage01 on 08 May 2013
tontus said:
CGI-Quality said:
JayWood2010 said:
CGI-Quality said:

Couldn't have been me, since I knew neither would sell even close to previous iterations.

In fact, both have done a bit worse than I expected.


I found it.  I shortened the conversation a bit but i posted the it above.

I stand by it that Ascension will sell closer to God of War III, simply because GoWIII sold much lower than Gears of War 2 (the highest in the series). But, as you should also have seen, I said both did worse than I expected (Week 1 included).

If Ascension continues to leg better than Judgment, it could, potentially, settle at 2 million. Of course, this would still be a lackluster result compared to early predictions, but not as bad as some thought.


I don't think you know this but God of War III was confirmed to have sold 5.2 million units in just over 2 years (http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/news/120605_05.pdf After 2 years the difference between sell-in and sell-through is negligible). Vgchartz has it significantly undertracked and ioi admitted that before, It has almost definitely sold over 6 million by now, I'm 99.9% certain of that with the Omega/Saga collections and the new budget 'essentials' range. According to Vgchartz Gears of War 2 (the highest in the series) is at 6.62 million. GoW III didn't sell much less than Gears2, in the end they'll both be within 250K of each other at retail (of course nobody knows how well Gears2 did digitally) so saying GoW:A will come closer to GoW III than Gears:J will to Gears2 only because Gears2 sold much more is ill-founded as they're actually pretty close. GoW:A will sell closer to GoW III than Gears:J will to Gears2 because it is the superior game with a bigger fan-base.

You think God of War: Ascension will only settle at 2-2.3 million lifetime? Really? It sold 633K first month in the US alone (NPD). Its pre-orders were 8x GoW III's which sold 30K first month in Brazil (http://jogos.uol.com.br/ultimas-noticias/2013/03/12/pre-venda-de-ascension-vendeu-8-vezes-mais-que-god-of-war-iii.htm) so lets assume 15k/30K Brazilians pre-ordered GoW III then GoW:A sold about 120K+ first month in Brazil. It sold another ~200K in Europe and ~30K in Japan. That's about 983,000 first month, now with the rest of the world that figure is probably around 1.15m first month. I am betting that it sold about 150K during April and about 25K for the first week of May. So that brings it to about 1,325,000 as of this week.

You don't think it can sell another 675,000-975,000 lifetime? I bet you it will, 100%. I'm betting that if it doesn't get mass bundled then it'll sell another 450K+ from now until the end of this year, It will reach 2 million during Q2 2014 and go on to sell between 3.0-3.25m lifetime (GoW1 sold over 1m after the PS3 launched, not impossible). With mass bundling it'll sell over 2m by the end of the year and 3.75-4.00m lifetime. Even without bundling, 3m+ will be a great result when comparing it to every GoW except GoW III, not amazing but not at all lackluster. I also think a new SKU for God of War: Ascension will be re-released worldwide as a budget double-pack with God of War III which will give it (& GoW3) a nice boost.

- Lifetime prediction for GoW:A (assuming no bundling): USA = 1.90 million / Europe = 650K / Japan = 50K / Rest of World = 500K.

I don't think Gears of War: Judgment will be mass bundled or packed in with other Gears of War games so I'm not expecting anything will come along and boost sales. With how it's legs look now, I think it will sell another 370K from now until the end of this year, 2m by Q3 2014, 2.50-2.75m lifetime. This is a significant drop from Gears 1,2,3. Decent but lackluster sales. I know a lot of people who just aren't interested in the game, most of the people I know who bought it traded it in already and just went back to Gears of War 3. I don't think the community support is there to help this game sell over 3 million or more than God of War: Ascension.

- Lifetime prediction for GeoW:J (assuming no bundling): USA = 1.60 million / Europe = 600K / Japan = 40K / Rest of world = 400K.

So really, I think GoW:A will top most peoples predictions, I don't really know what people think GeoW:J will do but the general consensus is that it'll sell less than GoW:A lifetime which is what I'd agree with.

By the way, has anyone noticed how awful Vgchartz's estimates for 'Rest of World' sales are? Apparently the God of War Collection sold more in the rest of the world than GoW 1 & 2 despite selling a lot less in the USA and considerably less in Europe (about on par in Japan). And God of War: Chains of Olympus sold more than God of War III in the rest of the world despite selling significantly less in every region. Absolute nonsense, Vgchartz's estimating methods need work.

Unrelated to the above, I didn't mean to 'flame' earlier in this thread, I just found it oddly suspicious how you could have easily kept the title fair and positive but you had to turn it into a negative title when the game you favor was performing worse (you still haven't even played GoW:A so I don't know how you could have a preference: http://psnprofiles.com/JayWood2010).

Damn straight



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bevochan on 13 May 2013
dsage01 said:
tontus said:
CGI-Quality said:
JayWood2010 said:
CGI-Quality said:

Couldn't have been me, since I knew neither would sell even close to previous iterations.

In fact, both have done a bit worse than I expected.


I found it.  I shortened the conversation a bit but i posted the it above.

I stand by it that Ascension will sell closer to God of War III, simply because GoWIII sold much lower than Gears of War 2 (the highest in the series). But, as you should also have seen, I said both did worse than I expected (Week 1 included).

If Ascension continues to leg better than Judgment, it could, potentially, settle at 2 million. Of course, this would still be a lackluster result compared to early predictions, but not as bad as some thought.


I don't think you know this but God of War III was confirmed to have sold 5.2 million units in just over 2 years (http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/news/120605_05.pdf After 2 years the difference between sell-in and sell-through is negligible). Vgchartz has it significantly undertracked and ioi admitted that before, It has almost definitely sold over 6 million by now, I'm 99.9% certain of that with the Omega/Saga collections and the new budget 'essentials' range. According to Vgchartz Gears of War 2 (the highest in the series) is at 6.62 million. GoW III didn't sell much less than Gears2, in the end they'll both be within 250K of each other at retail (of course nobody knows how well Gears2 did digitally) so saying GoW:A will come closer to GoW III than Gears:J will to Gears2 only because Gears2 sold much more is ill-founded as they're actually pretty close. GoW:A will sell closer to GoW III than Gears:J will to Gears2 because it is the superior game with a bigger fan-base.

You think God of War: Ascension will only settle at 2-2.3 million lifetime? Really? It sold 633K first month in the US alone (NPD). Its pre-orders were 8x GoW III's which sold 30K first month in Brazil (http://jogos.uol.com.br/ultimas-noticias/2013/03/12/pre-venda-de-ascension-vendeu-8-vezes-mais-que-god-of-war-iii.htm) so lets assume 15k/30K Brazilians pre-ordered GoW III then GoW:A sold about 120K+ first month in Brazil. It sold another ~200K in Europe and ~30K in Japan. That's about 983,000 first month, now with the rest of the world that figure is probably around 1.15m first month. I am betting that it sold about 150K during April and about 25K for the first week of May. So that brings it to about 1,325,000 as of this week.

You don't think it can sell another 675,000-975,000 lifetime? I bet you it will, 100%. I'm betting that if it doesn't get mass bundled then it'll sell another 450K+ from now until the end of this year, It will reach 2 million during Q2 2014 and go on to sell between 3.0-3.25m lifetime (GoW1 sold over 1m after the PS3 launched, not impossible). With mass bundling it'll sell over 2m by the end of the year and 3.75-4.00m lifetime. Even without bundling, 3m+ will be a great result when comparing it to every GoW except GoW III, not amazing but not at all lackluster. I also think a new SKU for God of War: Ascension will be re-released worldwide as a budget double-pack with God of War III which will give it (& GoW3) a nice boost.

- Lifetime prediction for GoW:A (assuming no bundling): USA = 1.90 million / Europe = 650K / Japan = 50K / Rest of World = 500K.

I don't think Gears of War: Judgment will be mass bundled or packed in with other Gears of War games so I'm not expecting anything will come along and boost sales. With how it's legs look now, I think it will sell another 370K from now until the end of this year, 2m by Q3 2014, 2.50-2.75m lifetime. This is a significant drop from Gears 1,2,3. Decent but lackluster sales. I know a lot of people who just aren't interested in the game, most of the people I know who bought it traded it in already and just went back to Gears of War 3. I don't think the community support is there to help this game sell over 3 million or more than God of War: Ascension.

- Lifetime prediction for GeoW:J (assuming no bundling): USA = 1.60 million / Europe = 600K / Japan = 40K / Rest of world = 400K.

So really, I think GoW:A will top most peoples predictions, I don't really know what people think GeoW:J will do but the general consensus is that it'll sell less than GoW:A lifetime which is what I'd agree with.

By the way, has anyone noticed how awful Vgchartz's estimates for 'Rest of World' sales are? Apparently the God of War Collection sold more in the rest of the world than GoW 1 & 2 despite selling a lot less in the USA and considerably less in Europe (about on par in Japan). And God of War: Chains of Olympus sold more than God of War III in the rest of the world despite selling significantly less in every region. Absolute nonsense, Vgchartz's estimating methods need work.

Unrelated to the above, I didn't mean to 'flame' earlier in this thread, I just found it oddly suspicious how you could have easily kept the title fair and positive but you had to turn it into a negative title when the game you favor was performing worse (you still haven't even played GoW:A so I don't know how you could have a preference: http://psnprofiles.com/JayWood2010).

Damn straight

Ascension outsolf Judgement by 10k this week.  It's only a matter of time when Ascension passes Judgement for lifetime global sales.




Farsala on 15 May 2013

Mind keeping this updated? It is really nice to see all in one place all fancy like.



renegaden7 on 15 May 2013
bevochan said:
dsage01 said:
tontus said:
CGI-Quality said:
JayWood2010 said:
CGI-Quality said:

Couldn't have been me, since I knew neither would sell even close to previous iterations.

In fact, both have done a bit worse than I expected.


I found it.  I shortened the conversation a bit but i posted the it above.

I stand by it that Ascension will sell closer to God of War III, simply because GoWIII sold much lower than Gears of War 2 (the highest in the series). But, as you should also have seen, I said both did worse than I expected (Week 1 included).

If Ascension continues to leg better than Judgment, it could, potentially, settle at 2 million. Of course, this would still be a lackluster result compared to early predictions, but not as bad as some thought.


I don't think you know this but God of War III was confirmed to have sold 5.2 million units in just over 2 years (http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/news/120605_05.pdf After 2 years the difference between sell-in and sell-through is negligible). Vgchartz has it significantly undertracked and ioi admitted that before, It has almost definitely sold over 6 million by now, I'm 99.9% certain of that with the Omega/Saga collections and the new budget 'essentials' range. According to Vgchartz Gears of War 2 (the highest in the series) is at 6.62 million. GoW III didn't sell much less than Gears2, in the end they'll both be within 250K of each other at retail (of course nobody knows how well Gears2 did digitally) so saying GoW:A will come closer to GoW III than Gears:J will to Gears2 only because Gears2 sold much more is ill-founded as they're actually pretty close. GoW:A will sell closer to GoW III than Gears:J will to Gears2 because it is the superior game with a bigger fan-base.

You think God of War: Ascension will only settle at 2-2.3 million lifetime? Really? It sold 633K first month in the US alone (NPD). Its pre-orders were 8x GoW III's which sold 30K first month in Brazil (http://jogos.uol.com.br/ultimas-noticias/2013/03/12/pre-venda-de-ascension-vendeu-8-vezes-mais-que-god-of-war-iii.htm) so lets assume 15k/30K Brazilians pre-ordered GoW III then GoW:A sold about 120K+ first month in Brazil. It sold another ~200K in Europe and ~30K in Japan. That's about 983,000 first month, now with the rest of the world that figure is probably around 1.15m first month. I am betting that it sold about 150K during April and about 25K for the first week of May. So that brings it to about 1,325,000 as of this week.

You don't think it can sell another 675,000-975,000 lifetime? I bet you it will, 100%. I'm betting that if it doesn't get mass bundled then it'll sell another 450K+ from now until the end of this year, It will reach 2 million during Q2 2014 and go on to sell between 3.0-3.25m lifetime (GoW1 sold over 1m after the PS3 launched, not impossible). With mass bundling it'll sell over 2m by the end of the year and 3.75-4.00m lifetime. Even without bundling, 3m+ will be a great result when comparing it to every GoW except GoW III, not amazing but not at all lackluster. I also think a new SKU for God of War: Ascension will be re-released worldwide as a budget double-pack with God of War III which will give it (& GoW3) a nice boost.

- Lifetime prediction for GoW:A (assuming no bundling): USA = 1.90 million / Europe = 650K / Japan = 50K / Rest of World = 500K.

I don't think Gears of War: Judgment will be mass bundled or packed in with other Gears of War games so I'm not expecting anything will come along and boost sales. With how it's legs look now, I think it will sell another 370K from now until the end of this year, 2m by Q3 2014, 2.50-2.75m lifetime. This is a significant drop from Gears 1,2,3. Decent but lackluster sales. I know a lot of people who just aren't interested in the game, most of the people I know who bought it traded it in already and just went back to Gears of War 3. I don't think the community support is there to help this game sell over 3 million or more than God of War: Ascension.

- Lifetime prediction for GeoW:J (assuming no bundling): USA = 1.60 million / Europe = 600K / Japan = 40K / Rest of world = 400K.

So really, I think GoW:A will top most peoples predictions, I don't really know what people think GeoW:J will do but the general consensus is that it'll sell less than GoW:A lifetime which is what I'd agree with.

By the way, has anyone noticed how awful Vgchartz's estimates for 'Rest of World' sales are? Apparently the God of War Collection sold more in the rest of the world than GoW 1 & 2 despite selling a lot less in the USA and considerably less in Europe (about on par in Japan). And God of War: Chains of Olympus sold more than God of War III in the rest of the world despite selling significantly less in every region. Absolute nonsense, Vgchartz's estimating methods need work.

Unrelated to the above, I didn't mean to 'flame' earlier in this thread, I just found it oddly suspicious how you could have easily kept the title fair and positive but you had to turn it into a negative title when the game you favor was performing worse (you still haven't even played GoW:A so I don't know how you could have a preference: http://psnprofiles.com/JayWood2010).

Damn straight

Ascension outsolf Judgement by 10k this week.  It's only a matter of time when Ascension passes Judgement for lifetime global sales.


Both games flopped so its redundent which one ends up selling the most. One things for sure though, since Gears of War is still full price (UK) its made a lot more money...



krafty89 on 15 May 2013

Ascension outsolf Judgement by 10k this week.  It's only a matter of time when Ascension passes Judgement for lifetime global sales.


Both games flopped so its redundent which one ends up selling the most. One things for sure though, since Gears of War is still full price (UK) its made a lot more money...

Really, will people continually beat this into the ground? When GT5 was outselling Forza people said it was only because GT5 was bargain price and Forza was full price (Which we all know was bullshit) the exact same is shown with Gears and God of War Gears of war is £29.99, God of war is £19.99 neither is full price neither is bargain basement price.

Full price is £39.99/$59.99 unless its that price stop using that terminology!!

http://www.play.com/Games/Xbox360/4-/32265414/Gears-Of-War-Judgment/Product.html?searchstring=gears+of+war&searchsource=0&searchtype=allproducts&urlrefer=search



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tontus on 15 May 2013
renegaden7 said:
bevochan said:
dsage01 said:
tontus said:
CGI-Quality said:
JayWood2010 said:
CGI-Quality said:

Couldn't have been me, since I knew neither would sell even close to previous iterations.

In fact, both have done a bit worse than I expected.


I found it.  I shortened the conversation a bit but i posted the it above.

I stand by it that Ascension will sell closer to God of War III, simply because GoWIII sold much lower than Gears of War 2 (the highest in the series). But, as you should also have seen, I said both did worse than I expected (Week 1 included).

If Ascension continues to leg better than Judgment, it could, potentially, settle at 2 million. Of course, this would still be a lackluster result compared to early predictions, but not as bad as some thought.


I don't think you know this but God of War III was confirmed to have sold 5.2 million units in just over 2 years (http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/news/120605_05.pdf After 2 years the difference between sell-in and sell-through is negligible). Vgchartz has it significantly undertracked and ioi admitted that before, It has almost definitely sold over 6 million by now, I'm 99.9% certain of that with the Omega/Saga collections and the new budget 'essentials' range. According to Vgchartz Gears of War 2 (the highest in the series) is at 6.62 million. GoW III didn't sell much less than Gears2, in the end they'll both be within 250K of each other at retail (of course nobody knows how well Gears2 did digitally) so saying GoW:A will come closer to GoW III than Gears:J will to Gears2 only because Gears2 sold much more is ill-founded as they're actually pretty close. GoW:A will sell closer to GoW III than Gears:J will to Gears2 because it is the superior game with a bigger fan-base.

You think God of War: Ascension will only settle at 2-2.3 million lifetime? Really? It sold 633K first month in the US alone (NPD). Its pre-orders were 8x GoW III's which sold 30K first month in Brazil (http://jogos.uol.com.br/ultimas-noticias/2013/03/12/pre-venda-de-ascension-vendeu-8-vezes-mais-que-god-of-war-iii.htm) so lets assume 15k/30K Brazilians pre-ordered GoW III then GoW:A sold about 120K+ first month in Brazil. It sold another ~200K in Europe and ~30K in Japan. That's about 983,000 first month, now with the rest of the world that figure is probably around 1.15m first month. I am betting that it sold about 150K during April and about 25K for the first week of May. So that brings it to about 1,325,000 as of this week.

You don't think it can sell another 675,000-975,000 lifetime? I bet you it will, 100%. I'm betting that if it doesn't get mass bundled then it'll sell another 450K+ from now until the end of this year, It will reach 2 million during Q2 2014 and go on to sell between 3.0-3.25m lifetime (GoW1 sold over 1m after the PS3 launched, not impossible). With mass bundling it'll sell over 2m by the end of the year and 3.75-4.00m lifetime. Even without bundling, 3m+ will be a great result when comparing it to every GoW except GoW III, not amazing but not at all lackluster. I also think a new SKU for God of War: Ascension will be re-released worldwide as a budget double-pack with God of War III which will give it (& GoW3) a nice boost.

- Lifetime prediction for GoW:A (assuming no bundling): USA = 1.90 million / Europe = 650K / Japan = 50K / Rest of World = 500K.

I don't think Gears of War: Judgment will be mass bundled or packed in with other Gears of War games so I'm not expecting anything will come along and boost sales. With how it's legs look now, I think it will sell another 370K from now until the end of this year, 2m by Q3 2014, 2.50-2.75m lifetime. This is a significant drop from Gears 1,2,3. Decent but lackluster sales. I know a lot of people who just aren't interested in the game, most of the people I know who bought it traded it in already and just went back to Gears of War 3. I don't think the community support is there to help this game sell over 3 million or more than God of War: Ascension.

- Lifetime prediction for GeoW:J (assuming no bundling): USA = 1.60 million / Europe = 600K / Japan = 40K / Rest of world = 400K.

So really, I think GoW:A will top most peoples predictions, I don't really know what people think GeoW:J will do but the general consensus is that it'll sell less than GoW:A lifetime which is what I'd agree with.

By the way, has anyone noticed how awful Vgchartz's estimates for 'Rest of World' sales are? Apparently the God of War Collection sold more in the rest of the world than GoW 1 & 2 despite selling a lot less in the USA and considerably less in Europe (about on par in Japan). And God of War: Chains of Olympus sold more than God of War III in the rest of the world despite selling significantly less in every region. Absolute nonsense, Vgchartz's estimating methods need work.

Unrelated to the above, I didn't mean to 'flame' earlier in this thread, I just found it oddly suspicious how you could have easily kept the title fair and positive but you had to turn it into a negative title when the game you favor was performing worse (you still haven't even played GoW:A so I don't know how you could have a preference: http://psnprofiles.com/JayWood2010).

Damn straight

Ascension outsolf Judgement by 10k this week.  It's only a matter of time when Ascension passes Judgement for lifetime global sales.


Both games flopped so its redundent which one ends up selling the most. One things for sure though, since Gears of War is still full price (UK) its made a lot more money...

Not redundant at all, God of War: Ascension outselling Gears of War: Judgment proves that if you take away all the marketing and a holiday release God of War is actually a stronger/bigger series than Gears of War, despite being a hack 'n slash vs a shooter.

Also out of the 6 games in the series God of War: Ascension only 'flopped' compared to one, God of War III. It will still go on to be the 4th best selling game in its genre of all time which is hardly something to snort derisively at.

Out of the 4 games in the series Gears of War: Judgment flopped massively compared to all 3 of its predecessors.

Also even though both games fell well short of their predecessors if you compare them to 90% of other exclusives this generation they are still doing very well, so even if they are relative flops they are still successful... especially God of War: Ascension since it was a much smaller drop-off and it's doing better.

And I bet God of War: Ascension made more money too, the Collector's Edition (~£70) sold well and it had a Special Edition (~£50) (UK GAME exclusive) that sold well too. Gears of War: Judgment doesn't have a CE/SE SKU and has been at an average price of £30 for weeks now.

Also when you take into account the under-tacking in the US and that God of War: Ascension did very well in Brazil, I am certain that it has already outsold Gears of War: Judgment worldwide with the gap widening more and more every week.



renegaden7 on 15 May 2013
tontus said:
renegaden7 said:
bevochan said:
dsage01 said:
tontus said:
CGI-Quality said:
JayWood2010 said:
CGI-Quality said:

Couldn't have been me, since I knew neither would sell even close to previous iterations.

In fact, both have done a bit worse than I expected.


I found it.  I shortened the conversation a bit but i posted the it above.

I stand by it that Ascension will sell closer to God of War III, simply because GoWIII sold much lower than Gears of War 2 (the highest in the series). But, as you should also have seen, I said both did worse than I expected (Week 1 included).

If Ascension continues to leg better than Judgment, it could, potentially, settle at 2 million. Of course, this would still be a lackluster result compared to early predictions, but not as bad as some thought.


I don't think you know this but God of War III was confirmed to have sold 5.2 million units in just over 2 years (http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/news/120605_05.pdf After 2 years the difference between sell-in and sell-through is negligible). Vgchartz has it significantly undertracked and ioi admitted that before, It has almost definitely sold over 6 million by now, I'm 99.9% certain of that with the Omega/Saga collections and the new budget 'essentials' range. According to Vgchartz Gears of War 2 (the highest in the series) is at 6.62 million. GoW III didn't sell much less than Gears2, in the end they'll both be within 250K of each other at retail (of course nobody knows how well Gears2 did digitally) so saying GoW:A will come closer to GoW III than Gears:J will to Gears2 only because Gears2 sold much more is ill-founded as they're actually pretty close. GoW:A will sell closer to GoW III than Gears:J will to Gears2 because it is the superior game with a bigger fan-base.

You think God of War: Ascension will only settle at 2-2.3 million lifetime? Really? It sold 633K first month in the US alone (NPD). Its pre-orders were 8x GoW III's which sold 30K first month in Brazil (http://jogos.uol.com.br/ultimas-noticias/2013/03/12/pre-venda-de-ascension-vendeu-8-vezes-mais-que-god-of-war-iii.htm) so lets assume 15k/30K Brazilians pre-ordered GoW III then GoW:A sold about 120K+ first month in Brazil. It sold another ~200K in Europe and ~30K in Japan. That's about 983,000 first month, now with the rest of the world that figure is probably around 1.15m first month. I am betting that it sold about 150K during April and about 25K for the first week of May. So that brings it to about 1,325,000 as of this week.

You don't think it can sell another 675,000-975,000 lifetime? I bet you it will, 100%. I'm betting that if it doesn't get mass bundled then it'll sell another 450K+ from now until the end of this year, It will reach 2 million during Q2 2014 and go on to sell between 3.0-3.25m lifetime (GoW1 sold over 1m after the PS3 launched, not impossible). With mass bundling it'll sell over 2m by the end of the year and 3.75-4.00m lifetime. Even without bundling, 3m+ will be a great result when comparing it to every GoW except GoW III, not amazing but not at all lackluster. I also think a new SKU for God of War: Ascension will be re-released worldwide as a budget double-pack with God of War III which will give it (& GoW3) a nice boost.

- Lifetime prediction for GoW:A (assuming no bundling): USA = 1.90 million / Europe = 650K / Japan = 50K / Rest of World = 500K.

I don't think Gears of War: Judgment will be mass bundled or packed in with other Gears of War games so I'm not expecting anything will come along and boost sales. With how it's legs look now, I think it will sell another 370K from now until the end of this year, 2m by Q3 2014, 2.50-2.75m lifetime. This is a significant drop from Gears 1,2,3. Decent but lackluster sales. I know a lot of people who just aren't interested in the game, most of the people I know who bought it traded it in already and just went back to Gears of War 3. I don't think the community support is there to help this game sell over 3 million or more than God of War: Ascension.

- Lifetime prediction for GeoW:J (assuming no bundling): USA = 1.60 million / Europe = 600K / Japan = 40K / Rest of world = 400K.

So really, I think GoW:A will top most peoples predictions, I don't really know what people think GeoW:J will do but the general consensus is that it'll sell less than GoW:A lifetime which is what I'd agree with.

By the way, has anyone noticed how awful Vgchartz's estimates for 'Rest of World' sales are? Apparently the God of War Collection sold more in the rest of the world than GoW 1 & 2 despite selling a lot less in the USA and considerably less in Europe (about on par in Japan). And God of War: Chains of Olympus sold more than God of War III in the rest of the world despite selling significantly less in every region. Absolute nonsense, Vgchartz's estimating methods need work.

Unrelated to the above, I didn't mean to 'flame' earlier in this thread, I just found it oddly suspicious how you could have easily kept the title fair and positive but you had to turn it into a negative title when the game you favor was performing worse (you still haven't even played GoW:A so I don't know how you could have a preference: http://psnprofiles.com/JayWood2010).

Damn straight

Ascension outsolf Judgement by 10k this week.  It's only a matter of time when Ascension passes Judgement for lifetime global sales.


Both games flopped so its redundent which one ends up selling the most. One things for sure though, since Gears of War is still full price (UK) its made a lot more money...

Not redundant at all, God of War: Ascension outselling Gears of War: Judgment proves that if you take away all the marketing and a holiday release God of War is actually a stronger/bigger series than Gears of War, despite being a hack 'n slash vs a shooter.

Also out of the 6 games in the series God of War: Ascension only 'flopped' compared to one, God of War III. It will still go on to be the 4th best selling game in its genre of all time which is hardly something to snort derisively at.

Out of the 4 games in the series Gears of War: Judgment flopped massively compared to all 3 of its predecessors.

Also even though both games fell well short of their predecessors if you compare them to 90% of other exclusives this generation they are still doing very well, so even if they are relative flops they are still successful... especially God of War: Ascension since it was a much smaller drop-off and it's doing better.

And I bet God of War: Ascension made more money too, the Collector's Edition (~£70) sold well and it had a Special Edition (~£50) (UK GAME exclusive) that sold well too. Gears of War: Judgment doesn't have a CE/SE SKU and has been at an average price of £30 for weeks now.

Also when you take into account the under-tacking in the US and that God of War: Ascension did very well in Brazil, I am certain that it has already outsold Gears of War: Judgment worldwide with the gap widening more and more every week.

A lot of what you said is baseless assumption I'm afraid. 

God of War was clearly built to be a big hit, dispite not releasing in the holiday season. Just look at the superbowl spot, do you know how expensive they are...

And Gears has not been selling at £30. Why do you instist on stating that it is... Amazon and Game, the two biggest retailers have it as £35. God of War Ascension have been below £25 for nearly 3 weeks across all major retailers, not just random places like shopto.... just look at this...

http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/god-war-ascension-ps3-for-24-99-game-1536928

http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/god-war-ascension-ps3-19-99-amazon-co-uk-1546767



bevochan on 15 May 2013
renegaden7 said:
tontus said:
renegaden7 said:
bevochan said:
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tontus said:
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Couldn't have been me, since I knew neither would sell even close to previous iterations.

In fact, both have done a bit worse than I expected.


I found it.  I shortened the conversation a bit but i posted the it above.

I stand by it that Ascension will sell closer to God of War III, simply because GoWIII sold much lower than Gears of War 2 (the highest in the series). But, as you should also have seen, I said both did worse than I expected (Week 1 included).

If Ascension continues to leg better than Judgment, it could, potentially, settle at 2 million. Of course, this would still be a lackluster result compared to early predictions, but not as bad as some thought.


I don't think you know this but God of War III was confirmed to have sold 5.2 million units in just over 2 years (http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/news/120605_05.pdf After 2 years the difference between sell-in and sell-through is negligible). Vgchartz has it significantly undertracked and ioi admitted that before, It has almost definitely sold over 6 million by now, I'm 99.9% certain of that with the Omega/Saga collections and the new budget 'essentials' range. According to Vgchartz Gears of War 2 (the highest in the series) is at 6.62 million. GoW III didn't sell much less than Gears2, in the end they'll both be within 250K of each other at retail (of course nobody knows how well Gears2 did digitally) so saying GoW:A will come closer to GoW III than Gears:J will to Gears2 only because Gears2 sold much more is ill-founded as they're actually pretty close. GoW:A will sell closer to GoW III than Gears:J will to Gears2 because it is the superior game with a bigger fan-base.

You think God of War: Ascension will only settle at 2-2.3 million lifetime? Really? It sold 633K first month in the US alone (NPD). Its pre-orders were 8x GoW III's which sold 30K first month in Brazil (http://jogos.uol.com.br/ultimas-noticias/2013/03/12/pre-venda-de-ascension-vendeu-8-vezes-mais-que-god-of-war-iii.htm) so lets assume 15k/30K Brazilians pre-ordered GoW III then GoW:A sold about 120K+ first month in Brazil. It sold another ~200K in Europe and ~30K in Japan. That's about 983,000 first month, now with the rest of the world that figure is probably around 1.15m first month. I am betting that it sold about 150K during April and about 25K for the first week of May. So that brings it to about 1,325,000 as of this week.

You don't think it can sell another 675,000-975,000 lifetime? I bet you it will, 100%. I'm betting that if it doesn't get mass bundled then it'll sell another 450K+ from now until the end of this year, It will reach 2 million during Q2 2014 and go on to sell between 3.0-3.25m lifetime (GoW1 sold over 1m after the PS3 launched, not impossible). With mass bundling it'll sell over 2m by the end of the year and 3.75-4.00m lifetime. Even without bundling, 3m+ will be a great result when comparing it to every GoW except GoW III, not amazing but not at all lackluster. I also think a new SKU for God of War: Ascension will be re-released worldwide as a budget double-pack with God of War III which will give it (& GoW3) a nice boost.

- Lifetime prediction for GoW:A (assuming no bundling): USA = 1.90 million / Europe = 650K / Japan = 50K / Rest of World = 500K.

I don't think Gears of War: Judgment will be mass bundled or packed in with other Gears of War games so I'm not expecting anything will come along and boost sales. With how it's legs look now, I think it will sell another 370K from now until the end of this year, 2m by Q3 2014, 2.50-2.75m lifetime. This is a significant drop from Gears 1,2,3. Decent but lackluster sales. I know a lot of people who just aren't interested in the game, most of the people I know who bought it traded it in already and just went back to Gears of War 3. I don't think the community support is there to help this game sell over 3 million or more than God of War: Ascension.

- Lifetime prediction for GeoW:J (assuming no bundling): USA = 1.60 million / Europe = 600K / Japan = 40K / Rest of world = 400K.

So really, I think GoW:A will top most peoples predictions, I don't really know what people think GeoW:J will do but the general consensus is that it'll sell less than GoW:A lifetime which is what I'd agree with.

By the way, has anyone noticed how awful Vgchartz's estimates for 'Rest of World' sales are? Apparently the God of War Collection sold more in the rest of the world than GoW 1 & 2 despite selling a lot less in the USA and considerably less in Europe (about on par in Japan). And God of War: Chains of Olympus sold more than God of War III in the rest of the world despite selling significantly less in every region. Absolute nonsense, Vgchartz's estimating methods need work.

Unrelated to the above, I didn't mean to 'flame' earlier in this thread, I just found it oddly suspicious how you could have easily kept the title fair and positive but you had to turn it into a negative title when the game you favor was performing worse (you still haven't even played GoW:A so I don't know how you could have a preference: http://psnprofiles.com/JayWood2010).

Damn straight

Ascension outsolf Judgement by 10k this week.  It's only a matter of time when Ascension passes Judgement for lifetime global sales.


Both games flopped so its redundent which one ends up selling the most. One things for sure though, since Gears of War is still full price (UK) its made a lot more money...

Not redundant at all, God of War: Ascension outselling Gears of War: Judgment proves that if you take away all the marketing and a holiday release God of War is actually a stronger/bigger series than Gears of War, despite being a hack 'n slash vs a shooter.

Also out of the 6 games in the series God of War: Ascension only 'flopped' compared to one, God of War III. It will still go on to be the 4th best selling game in its genre of all time which is hardly something to snort derisively at.

Out of the 4 games in the series Gears of War: Judgment flopped massively compared to all 3 of its predecessors.

Also even though both games fell well short of their predecessors if you compare them to 90% of other exclusives this generation they are still doing very well, so even if they are relative flops they are still successful... especially God of War: Ascension since it was a much smaller drop-off and it's doing better.

And I bet God of War: Ascension made more money too, the Collector's Edition (~£70) sold well and it had a Special Edition (~£50) (UK GAME exclusive) that sold well too. Gears of War: Judgment doesn't have a CE/SE SKU and has been at an average price of £30 for weeks now.

Also when you take into account the under-tacking in the US and that God of War: Ascension did very well in Brazil, I am certain that it has already outsold Gears of War: Judgment worldwide with the gap widening more and more every week.

A lot of what you said is baseless assumption I'm afraid. 

God of War was clearly built to be a big hit, dispite not releasing in the holiday season. Just look at the superbowl spot, do you know how expensive they are...

And Gears has not been selling at £30. Why do you instist on stating that it is... Amazon and Game, the two biggest retailers have it as £35. God of War Ascension have been below £25 for nearly 3 weeks across all major retailers, not just random places like shopto.... just look at this...

http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/god-war-ascension-ps3-for-24-99-game-1536928

http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/god-war-ascension-ps3-19-99-amazon-co-uk-1546767


"Just look at the superbowl spot, do you know how expensive they are..."

The superbowl ad was online and not on TV.  It wasn't that big of a deal.  They have shown the commercials on ESPN Sportscenter though.




Jaywood2010 on 15 May 2013

Sorry i have not updated this yet. I also havent been able to update my halo thread. VGC has not been updating the numbers in the database.

However I will Update title

EDIT: Checked again.  i will be updating shortly.  Playing Halo 4 atm




       

Jaywood2010 on 15 May 2013

UPDATE #2

Now they are updated with numbers. Gears Judgement is now at 1.16m and Ascension at 1.09m