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kitler53 on 14 March 2013
kowenicki said:
JayWood2010 said:
CGI-Quality said:
It's perplexing to think they would title the article that way, since this nViDiA rep doesn't say things in those harsh terms. This isn't against you, Jay, I saw this on a PC website with that title.


Gamespot was the ones who titled this.  It is basically Nvidia making an excuse for a big loss in my opinion.  Both NeXbox and PS4 will be using rival AMD chips which could potentially lose nvidia over 100m  units sold in the next 5 years

or AMD went cheap to win the contract and will have undersold themselves making bigger losses and going bust?  what then....?


then console gaming collapses killing the playstation and xbox brands bankrupting both sony and microsoft and as a result you and the rest of VGC commits mass sucide. 

negative enough for you?  i had to dig real deep to match your pessimism..



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Somini on 14 March 2013

NVidea is just unhappy that Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo left them in the dust for the coming generation :)



radiantshadow92 on 14 March 2013

nvidia so salty



ethomaz on 14 March 2013

nVidia has better tech but no option like CPU+GPU (APU)... so in the end the AMD is cheaper.

Sony did the best for the company.



disolitude on 14 March 2013
justinian said:
AMD is "bigger" than Nvidia and has a far more diverse product line. Taking on Intel was never going to be easy and cost a hell of a lot.

The fact that every home console now (or rather will) has AMD tech should go somewhere in easing their financial worries one would think.

This statement is mostly false. AMD's market cap is 1.88 billion while Nivdia's is over 7 billion dollars. 

Both Nvidia and AMD revenue is around ~1 billion dollars every quarter for the last year or so the only difference is that Nvidia always pulls a profit while AMD hasn't in years.

While I agree that it does make sense for AMD to produce a x86 console since they can do an APU like solution, AMD is also willing to cut in to their profits for the sake of getting the business. Nvidia doesn't have to/want to do this as much as AMD. 



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loy310 on 14 March 2013
kowenicki said:
JayWood2010 said:
kowenicki said:
JayWood2010 said:
CGI-Quality said:
It's perplexing to think they would title the article that way, since this nViDiA rep doesn't say things in those harsh terms. This isn't against you, Jay, I saw this on a PC website with that title.


Gamespot was the ones who titled this.  It is basically Nvidia making an excuse for a big loss in my opinion.  Both NeXbox and PS4 will be using rival AMD chips which could potentially lose nvidia over 100m  units sold in the next 5 years

or AMD went cheap to win the contract and will have undersold themselves making bigger losses and going bust?  what then....?

That is a possibility as well but I think both the PS4 and NeXbox will be just fine in the graphics and power department.  No they wont be as powerful as PC's but they dont need to be either.  People want consoles to be a good price and Nvidia will make people charge an arm and a leg.  I love Nvidia, dont get me wrong.  I buy Nvidia for my computer but when it comes to consoles people are looking for good prices.  Also take into consideration developers will be devloping games with those specs in mind which will help power improve in games after launch as they learn more about the hardware.

That wasnt really my point.

The guy from NVidia is actually saying there wasn't enough margin for them. Thats fine, its a business decision.

It worries me a little that AMD, already struggling, would go in cheap to win a contract that may backfire if they have gone too cheap.  If they vanish what the hell happens then?

Some other company will jump in, buy whats left, fire a bunch of employees and continue with their contracts until they end. Then they would continue to tweak the company until they squeeze out a profit. I would like to think that someone would pick them up before they go bust. There must be a company out there that see value in AMD, that would buy them if the opportunity came about.



disolitude on 14 March 2013
ethomaz said:
nVidia has better tech but no option like CPU+GPU (APU)... so in the end the AMD is cheaper.

Sony did the best for the company.


Maybe not an X86 option but they have a very capable ARM SoC option in their Tegra line. 



theprof00 on 14 March 2013
JayWood2010 said:
kowenicki said:

That wasnt really my point.

The guy from NVidia is actually saying there wasn't enough margin for them. Thats fine, its a business decision.

It worries me a little that AMD, already struggling, would go in cheap to win a contract that may backfire if they have gone too cheap.  If they vanish what the hell happens then?


Ohhh i see now.  That is a good question actually.  I honestly don't know.  They could possibly buy the tech that is made for those chips???  I really dont have a clue to be honest.

Article doesn't really say anything about amd being in trouble.

If sony and ms can sell 100m consoles, that's going to be a pretty great profit for them, as well as advance their hold on the APU market. I'm not worried, since all Nvidia is saying is that the resources they'd need to dedicate would cost them on producing more lucrative products.



ethomaz on 14 March 2013

disolitude said:

Maybe not an X86 option but they have a very capable ARM SoC option in their Tegra line.

Yeap but not the better choice for PS4... Sony wanted to make the console more easly possible for developers (PC like is the best option here).



Jaywood2010 on 14 March 2013
theprof00 said:
JayWood2010 said:
kowenicki said:

That wasnt really my point.

The guy from NVidia is actually saying there wasn't enough margin for them. Thats fine, its a business decision.

It worries me a little that AMD, already struggling, would go in cheap to win a contract that may backfire if they have gone too cheap.  If they vanish what the hell happens then?


Ohhh i see now.  That is a good question actually.  I honestly don't know.  They could possibly buy the tech that is made for those chips???  I really dont have a clue to be honest.

Article doesn't really say anything about amd being in trouble.

If sony and ms can sell 100m consoles, that's going to be a pretty great profit for them, as well as advance their hold on the APU market. I'm not worried, since all Nvidia is saying is that the resources they'd need to dedicate would cost them on producing more lucrative products.


He asked a an "if" question.  You need to quote him, not me.  I dont know how well AMD is doing on the market so i'm unable to answer it