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ChronotriggerJM said:

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So True xD Sony always seems to go some route that just doesn't make sense lol, however I applaud them for it, the Cell really seems like breakthrough technology and it's gotten its fair share of awards ^_^ DEFINITLY harder to program for, once proper dev kits and such get out though and the technology is massively optimized, I can see how it could change the way computers could perform in the future. Hell that one guy who took 8 ps3's, strung them together, and ended up with the worlds 24'th fastest super-computer is insane! MS definitely took the dev friendly approach, but at the same time I can see why it's not exactly breakthrough technology. Software friendly (Microsoft), vs Technologically insane (Sony). They both play they're parts so well XD 


ROFL!!

Sony fanboys are always a good laugh.

 



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Fumanchu said:
Seriously this is so tit for tat...the PS3 has more theoretical processing power, but the 360 has faster system memory bus. There are certain aspects of both designs that you could 'cherrypick' and say system x has the advantage. In the end the differences equate to very little...didn't John Carmack say there's less technical differences this generation than any previously?

 Absolutely right :P Although the memory question has been beaten to death because of the architecture, (ps3 does have faster memory), the whole debate started because someone happened to pick the PS3's strongpoint thus far in the generation xD. They both have strengths and weaknesses :P Just at this point in time, graphics aren't the 360's strongpoint.



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HappySqurriel said:
ChronotriggerJM said:
HappySqurriel said:
ChronotriggerJM said:
weezy said:
Chrono cant accept 360 graphics are =/> ps3 right now.

Overall(like ive said for a year)
360>PS3

2009 is when the ps3 will shine

LOL you'd be surprised by what I can accept ^_^ when the 360 puts out a game that can't be equaled on the PS3 I'll gladly "accept" it. But I have a feeling I'll be waiting a while :) I'd say the graphics are and have been shining since 2007 xD

And your right, 360 graphics aren't "equal" to the PS3 ones, they're technically worse lol.


It is very telling that many/most cross platform games look almost identical on both systems except they have framerate problems on the PS3 ... Not exactly something you would see if the PS3 was dramatically more powerful than the XBox 360


I'd almost agree with this statement if the PS3 wasn't horrible to program for xD. In a term of graphical prowress, you can't really compare multi-platform titles as is the case you can't optimize properly for either. I'm talking the meat of the conversation! Exclusives ^^. You can't say that one console has better graphics, when a game featured on the opposition has better than anything your console has produced to date :P. We weren't talking about which was easier to program for, just which had better graphics :P and the PS3 does indeed have better graphics.


In my opinion, a lot of the reason why the PS3 has a reputation for being so difficult to program for is that a lot of developers are not willing to accept a fundimental rule of parallel processing ... When you're working on a distributed system, the more parallel units of work you divide your algorithm into the more processing power is wasted due to idle time.

Games like Lair had all of their game assets designed (and their levels built) under an assumption that they would be able to get a decent level of performance from all of the SPEs at the same time; as development continued and they started to see massive ammounts of processing power wasted to idle time the developers probably (foolishly) assumed that they could optimize the systems performance using a profiler. They probably wasted weeks (or months) of development time trying to balance the processing load more evenly across all of the SPEs only to find themself trapped at the same basic performance level.

Many of the best developers in the world have tried to push the PS3 as hard as they can and yet we haven't seen anything that demonstrates that it can achieve performance levels that you (and many PS3 fans) expect.


 Yeah, but some developers we (didn't) expect are really making some waves :P, Take Polyphony for example :P they have a build of their current game running a full 60FPS, 1080p, and maybe 7.1 surround :P Factor 5 tried, polyphony did :) 

Of course only being a year in is a bitch for technology ^^ ESP a build like the cell, but onces it becomse more understood, the ratchet, uncharteds, gt's, metal gears, and such wont be nearly as rare as they are nowadays :) 



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NJ5 said:
ChronotriggerJM said:
Power is relative, but if were talking about raw computing power, the PS3 beats the 360 by I dunno what was it, 4 times? The cell is an absolute beast when it comes to crunching numbers. They did the folding test to see how many flops per second (?) each processor setup could handle and the PS3 slaughtered most of the computing world xD

There's really no surprise to be had there if you know about processor architectures. The fastest processors for folding are GPUs (they beat the PS3 by far), but they're hard to code for, and that peak performance can only be achieved in certain kinds of work units which are suited for GPU algorithms.

Then you have the Cell, which gets you lower performance than a GPU, but at a broader range of tasks. That's because the Cell was designed as a hybrid architecture - it can perform general computing tasks, but its SPEs are optimized for parallel number crunching (though not as much as GPUs).

At the other end of the spectrum, you have general purpose CPUs such as the 360's, which are easier to program with, and give you good performance on about every computable task. However, they won't achieve as high performance as a GPU or a Cell processor on certain tasks which involve lots of number crunching.

Being (mostly) a software company, Microsoft went with ease of development over raw performance, and they supported it with a superior OS (having a smaller memory footprint), and great development tools.

Being (mostly) a hardware company, Sony came up with a new architecture, which not only programmers have to learn from scratch but also is inherently more difficult to use than a generic CPU (being asymmetric). It's really the same route that they took with the PS2 - developers hated the architecture, but they had no chance but to stick with it since the console was so successful.

 


In general, any special purpose processor is less expensive, easier to develop for and more powerful in what it was designed to do. No one has really focused on producing a videogame specific CPU, but the same basic rules applies to creating a custom architecture for game development.



like i said chrono..

wait till 2009 when ppl can acually tell ps3 games look better :)

right now 360>PS3



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x360 is 2 years on the market.
ps3 is only one year on the market.

PS3 has:
best graphics in action third person shooter.
best graphics in 3D platform game.
best graphics in racing game.

even lair had amazing graphics, but that game was RUSHED, that`s why it ended bad.


Does x360 has something better after 2 years?



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2009.04.30 - PS3 will OUTSELL x360 atleast by the middle of 2010. Japan+Europe > NA.


Gran Turismo 3 - 1,06 mln. in 3 weeks with around 4 mln. PS2 on the launch.
Gran Turismo 4 - 1,16 mln. with 18 mln. PS2 on the launch.

Final Fantasy X - around 2 mln. with 5 mln. PS2 on the launch.
Final Fantasy X-2 - 2.4 mln. with 12 mln. PS2 on the launch.

 

1.8 mln. PS3 today(2008.01.17) in Japan. Now(2009.04.30) 3.16 mln. PS3 were sold in Japan.
PS3 will reach 4 mln. in Japan by the end of 2009 with average weekly sales 25k.

PS3 may reach 5 mln. in Japan by the end of 2009 with average weekly sales 50k.
PS2 2001 vs PS3 2008 sales numbers =) + New games released in Japan by 2009 that passed 100k so far

ff13 isnt coming out till 2009

like I said 360>PS3 right now :)



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weezy said:
ff13 isnt coming out till 2009

like I said 360>PS3 right now :)

 Especially with broken consoles.



CrazzyMan said:

PS3 has:
best graphics in action third person shooter.
best graphics in 3D platform game.
best graphics in racing game.


PS3 has a game with better graphics than Gears? While I think you mean Uncharted, that is still highly debatable. The art styles are drastically different and both games look great. Actually, I've beaten both games, have you? In fact, I just beat them back to back a few weeks ago.

When did the PS3 get a 3D platformer? Did I take a nap and miss something?

When GT5 releases, I'm sure it will be beautiful. In the meantime, enjoy your $40 extended demo while I keep playing Forza.




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Smidlee said:
weezy said:
ff13 isnt coming out till 2009

like I said 360>PS3 right now :)

Especially with broken consoles.


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