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Turkish on 15 February 2013

Thatgamecompany made a big mistake by going multiplatform, no other publisher will give them the same freedom and cash to develop a game that might not be successful, Ninja Theory also was unhappy with Heavenly Sword, then they release Enslaved for PS360 and it sells 3x less than HS.

They had to choose: preserve creativity on a smaller installbase or sacrifice creativity to reach a bigger audience.



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UnitSmiley on 15 February 2013
Lostplanet22 said:
UnitSmiley said:
cusman said:
pezus said:
So...PS3 has more Netflix use, Blu-Ray, 7.1 DTS Master-Audio support. Meanwhile, you have to pay a yearly price just to unlock most of the entertainment features on 360.

Yup... and MS doesn't release much exclusive software for Xbox 360 either

What is strange to me is that in terms of new console sales... the Xbox 360 continues to do better than the PS3 (especially in the US)

Maybe it's the "buy america" consumer patriotism, but on a product level... I don't consider the Xbox 360 to be anywhere near as good a value as the PS3.


I've said it a few times before. Everything in the US is a popularity contest. Most of the "gamers" here don't even really care what they play, as long as it's popular. They don't have a real passion for the hobby or what kinds of experience the media of videogames can provide. They just want to do/play what's trendy. Microsoft is much better at advertising so basically people believe what they see. Most of those same people who swear the 360 is better than the PS3 don't even know the difference between a multiplat and an exclusive game. If you'd ask them what they dislike about the PS3, it'll pretty much be "PS3 has no games". Ya know, THAT old arguement that hasn't been true for years and is actually more true for Microsoft at this point.

720 could give you aids when you turn it on and people here will still buy it.

But it is true,  PS3 does not have games like Halo 4 or even Minecraft.   Minecraft did not have any mayor advertising on tv,  is only available as an digital download and is available on a lot of platforms still it managed to sell already more than 5,5 million on xbla...   I guess it looks like gamers really know what they want.

 


sales=/=quality

popularity=/= quality

Not saying a game that sells well and is popular is bad mind you.

Halo has always been a series with a ton of advertisements and most people knew what Minecraft was from it being around on PC already. It's not really hard to sell an already popular game to a giant fanbase. "PS3 does not have games like Halo 4 or even Minecraft". Why do people think this way? A games quality is based on its own merit, not by how many people bought it. I mean damn, I guess CoD is just the best thing to ever happen to gaming. You are talking about sales, but what about experiences? Ya know, the thing that SHOULD actually matter the most to so called gaming fans. I could easily say "Microsoft doesn't have any games like Heavy Rain, Uncharted, Little Big Planet, Infamous, blah blah blah ect". 

As a gaming enthusiast a person should be concerned with playing what brings enjoyment to him or her and what types of experiences can be had with different types of games. NOT what is selling well or what is trendy atm.



Lostplanet22 on 15 February 2013
betacon said:
Lostplanet22 said:
maverick40 said:
Lostplanet22 said:
pezus said:
MB1025 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
noname2200 said:
ps3-sales! said:
I think Sony cares about the gamer much more than Microsoft ever has.

On the theory that 0.01% > 0.001%?


He's kinda right. Sony takes far more risks with games, and creates far more than Microsoft would ever think to create. Their mind marketwise is squarely on the avid gamer and that can help but it can also hurt on a massive scale.


Yeah but when you task risks and don't follow up with money and marketing you become a murderer. What is the kill count on studios Sony has put down over the past few years?

But hey as long as some fan boys can say we have more games then you every thing is OK. I am never seen a fan base of anything brag about something and not buy it as much as Sony fans do.

What is the kill count on studios MS has killed? I'll start:

1. Ensemble Studios

your move

That is so true,  so many games released and so many failed because a very few bought them. 2012 was a disaster for Sony exclusives. Journey was the saviour but even them go multiplatform because they want to have an better financial situation something the Sony fanbase not delivered.


Where did you pull this crap out of? Sony signed a three game exclusive deak with Thatgamecompany, the three games have been released so the deal has ended. 

Enjoy:

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=154845&page=1#34


"I think to have a financial success, that is going to change everyone, it has to be much bigger than a game on the Playstation platform."


Is this why Mass Effect and Bioshock ended up on the ps3, surely that means they failed on the 360

Well those games for sure did not sell better on PS3 even when giving away the last one p. 

Mass Effect was an exclusive because of the contract but when EA becames the big boss it was known that it would release on all platforms.  Bioshock was an time-exclusive like many games back then...mostly because the games were almost finished when PS3 only just was released... 



 

sergiodaly on 15 February 2013

i didn't know.... so they should have said: "everybody knows, except SergioDaly"

Proudest Platinums - BF: Bad Company, Killzone 2 , Battlefield 3 and GTA4

Lostplanet22 on 15 February 2013
UnitSmiley said:
Lostplanet22 said:
UnitSmiley said:
cusman said:
pezus said:
So...PS3 has more Netflix use, Blu-Ray, 7.1 DTS Master-Audio support. Meanwhile, you have to pay a yearly price just to unlock most of the entertainment features on 360.

Yup... and MS doesn't release much exclusive software for Xbox 360 either

What is strange to me is that in terms of new console sales... the Xbox 360 continues to do better than the PS3 (especially in the US)

Maybe it's the "buy america" consumer patriotism, but on a product level... I don't consider the Xbox 360 to be anywhere near as good a value as the PS3.


I've said it a few times before. Everything in the US is a popularity contest. Most of the "gamers" here don't even really care what they play, as long as it's popular. They don't have a real passion for the hobby or what kinds of experience the media of videogames can provide. They just want to do/play what's trendy. Microsoft is much better at advertising so basically people believe what they see. Most of those same people who swear the 360 is better than the PS3 don't even know the difference between a multiplat and an exclusive game. If you'd ask them what they dislike about the PS3, it'll pretty much be "PS3 has no games". Ya know, THAT old arguement that hasn't been true for years and is actually more true for Microsoft at this point.

720 could give you aids when you turn it on and people here will still buy it.

But it is true,  PS3 does not have games like Halo 4 or even Minecraft.   Minecraft did not have any mayor advertising on tv,  is only available as an digital download and is available on a lot of platforms still it managed to sell already more than 5,5 million on xbla...   I guess it looks like gamers really know what they want.

 


sales=/=quality

popularity=/= quality

Not saying a game that sells well and is popular is bad mind you.

Halo has always been a series with a ton of advertisements and most people knew what Minecraft was from it being around on PC already. It's not really hard to sell an already popular game to a giant fanbase. "PS3 does not have games like Halo 4 or even Minecraft". Why do people think this way? A games quality is based on its own merit, not by how many people bought it. I mean damn, I guess CoD is just the best thing to ever happen to gaming. You are talking about sales, but what about experiences? Ya know, the thing that SHOULD actually matter the most to so called gaming fans. I could easily say "Microsoft doesn't have any games like Heavy Rain, Uncharted, Little Big Planet, Infamous, blah blah blah ect". 

As a gaming enthusiast a person should be concerned with playing what brings enjoyment to him or her and what types of experiences can be had with different types of games. NOT what is selling well or what is trendy atm.

I am just pointing out that people know very well why they want to have an X360 and why they choose it above an PS3.    For me it makes sense that the PR will say this after being 25 months number  1 in the biggest entertainment market of the world.   And be sure if X360 manages to pass Wii's lifetime sales in the USA the PR will gloat about being the best sold console in the biggest gaming market.....and devs will keep an eye on that.



 

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UnitSmiley on 15 February 2013
Lostplanet22 said:
UnitSmiley said:
Lostplanet22 said:
UnitSmiley said:
cusman said:
pezus said:
So...PS3 has more Netflix use, Blu-Ray, 7.1 DTS Master-Audio support. Meanwhile, you have to pay a yearly price just to unlock most of the entertainment features on 360.

Yup... and MS doesn't release much exclusive software for Xbox 360 either

What is strange to me is that in terms of new console sales... the Xbox 360 continues to do better than the PS3 (especially in the US)

Maybe it's the "buy america" consumer patriotism, but on a product level... I don't consider the Xbox 360 to be anywhere near as good a value as the PS3.


I've said it a few times before. Everything in the US is a popularity contest. Most of the "gamers" here don't even really care what they play, as long as it's popular. They don't have a real passion for the hobby or what kinds of experience the media of videogames can provide. They just want to do/play what's trendy. Microsoft is much better at advertising so basically people believe what they see. Most of those same people who swear the 360 is better than the PS3 don't even know the difference between a multiplat and an exclusive game. If you'd ask them what they dislike about the PS3, it'll pretty much be "PS3 has no games". Ya know, THAT old arguement that hasn't been true for years and is actually more true for Microsoft at this point.

720 could give you aids when you turn it on and people here will still buy it.

But it is true,  PS3 does not have games like Halo 4 or even Minecraft.   Minecraft did not have any mayor advertising on tv,  is only available as an digital download and is available on a lot of platforms still it managed to sell already more than 5,5 million on xbla...   I guess it looks like gamers really know what they want.

 


sales=/=quality

popularity=/= quality

Not saying a game that sells well and is popular is bad mind you.

Halo has always been a series with a ton of advertisements and most people knew what Minecraft was from it being around on PC already. It's not really hard to sell an already popular game to a giant fanbase. "PS3 does not have games like Halo 4 or even Minecraft". Why do people think this way? A games quality is based on its own merit, not by how many people bought it. I mean damn, I guess CoD is just the best thing to ever happen to gaming. You are talking about sales, but what about experiences? Ya know, the thing that SHOULD actually matter the most to so called gaming fans. I could easily say "Microsoft doesn't have any games like Heavy Rain, Uncharted, Little Big Planet, Infamous, blah blah blah ect". 

As a gaming enthusiast a person should be concerned with playing what brings enjoyment to him or her and what types of experiences can be had with different types of games. NOT what is selling well or what is trendy atm.

I am just pointing out that people know very well why they want to have an X360 and why they choose it above an PS3.    For me it makes sense that the PR will say this after being 25 months number  1 in the biggest entertainment market of the world.   And be sure if X360 manages to pass Wii's lifetime sales in the USA the PR will gloat about being the best sold console in the biggest gaming market.....and devs will keep an eye on that.


I agree that people know why they want a 360 over a PS3. I just feel that desire has nothing to do with actual gaming content, but is rather based off of what is socially relevant at the time. In this case the 360.

Media hub, apps, popularity, sales, who cares. This stuff should seriously not matter.

A video game console should be about the games and what experiences can be had with the hobby. Honestly I feel like a very large majority of the 360 fanbase just isn't passionate about the hobby. I feel like Microsofts success this gen has been due to fooling people who don't know anybetter/don't care into thinking they actually offer great experiences to gaming enthusiasts. I really like Sony and Nintendo because they are pretty different from each other yet still have a lot to offer to the industry and real gamers. Yet I see Microsoft coasting along on the money of people who could honestly care less about the hobby.

Perhaps my views are a bit too harsh, but it's the conclusion i've come to after seeing how this gen played out in the US. You can ask random people who don't play videogames which console is the best and every one of em would say 360 over PS3 despite not having any reasons. That's how powerful the Xbox name is in the US (partly due to lack of advertising from Sony) and it's pretty upsetting since when it comes to what actually matters (games!) Microsoft is the weakest out of the three in my opinion.

I feel like i'm watching a student who hasn't studied for a test cheat his way to an A.



youarebadatgames on 15 February 2013
UnitSmiley said:
Lostplanet22 said:
UnitSmiley said:
Lostplanet22 said:
UnitSmiley said:
cusman said:
pezus said:
So...PS3 has more Netflix use, Blu-Ray, 7.1 DTS Master-Audio support. Meanwhile, you have to pay a yearly price just to unlock most of the entertainment features on 360.

Yup... and MS doesn't release much exclusive software for Xbox 360 either

What is strange to me is that in terms of new console sales... the Xbox 360 continues to do better than the PS3 (especially in the US)

Maybe it's the "buy america" consumer patriotism, but on a product level... I don't consider the Xbox 360 to be anywhere near as good a value as the PS3.


I've said it a few times before. Everything in the US is a popularity contest. Most of the "gamers" here don't even really care what they play, as long as it's popular. They don't have a real passion for the hobby or what kinds of experience the media of videogames can provide. They just want to do/play what's trendy. Microsoft is much better at advertising so basically people believe what they see. Most of those same people who swear the 360 is better than the PS3 don't even know the difference between a multiplat and an exclusive game. If you'd ask them what they dislike about the PS3, it'll pretty much be "PS3 has no games". Ya know, THAT old arguement that hasn't been true for years and is actually more true for Microsoft at this point.

720 could give you aids when you turn it on and people here will still buy it.

But it is true,  PS3 does not have games like Halo 4 or even Minecraft.   Minecraft did not have any mayor advertising on tv,  is only available as an digital download and is available on a lot of platforms still it managed to sell already more than 5,5 million on xbla...   I guess it looks like gamers really know what they want.

 


sales=/=quality

popularity=/= quality

Not saying a game that sells well and is popular is bad mind you.

Halo has always been a series with a ton of advertisements and most people knew what Minecraft was from it being around on PC already. It's not really hard to sell an already popular game to a giant fanbase. "PS3 does not have games like Halo 4 or even Minecraft". Why do people think this way? A games quality is based on its own merit, not by how many people bought it. I mean damn, I guess CoD is just the best thing to ever happen to gaming. You are talking about sales, but what about experiences? Ya know, the thing that SHOULD actually matter the most to so called gaming fans. I could easily say "Microsoft doesn't have any games like Heavy Rain, Uncharted, Little Big Planet, Infamous, blah blah blah ect". 

As a gaming enthusiast a person should be concerned with playing what brings enjoyment to him or her and what types of experiences can be had with different types of games. NOT what is selling well or what is trendy atm.

I am just pointing out that people know very well why they want to have an X360 and why they choose it above an PS3.    For me it makes sense that the PR will say this after being 25 months number  1 in the biggest entertainment market of the world.   And be sure if X360 manages to pass Wii's lifetime sales in the USA the PR will gloat about being the best sold console in the biggest gaming market.....and devs will keep an eye on that.


I agree that people know why they want a 360 over a PS3. I just feel that desire has nothing to do with actual gaming content, but is rather based off of what is socially relevant at the time. In this case the 360.

Media hub, apps, popularity, sales, who cares. This stuff should seriously not matter.

A video game console should be about the games and what experiences can be had with the hobby. Honestly I feel like a very large majority of the 360 fanbase just isn't passionate about the hobby. I feel like Microsofts success this gen has been due to fooling people who don't know anybetter/don't care into thinking they actually offer great experiences to gaming enthusiasts. I really like Sony and Nintendo because they are pretty different from each other yet still have a lot to offer to the industry and real gamers. Yet I see Microsoft coasting along on the money of people who could honestly care less about the hobby.

Perhaps my views are a bit too harsh, but it's the conclusion i've come to after seeing how this gen played out in the US. You can ask random people who don't play videogames which console is the best and every one of em would say 360 over PS3 despite not having any reasons. That's how powerful the Xbox name is in the US (partly due to lack of advertising from Sony) and it's pretty upsetting since when it comes to what actually matters (games!) Microsoft is the weakest out of the three in my opinion.

I feel like i'm watching a student who hasn't studied for a test cheat his way to an A.


Sorry you don't like casuals.  That's ok, casuals don't care about you or what you think.  Good thing too.



HokageTenshi on 15 February 2013

“Everybody Knows” ???

so i guess i'm not a human to M$ since i already own 3 different model of PS3 and never interested to buy any model of Xbox360...



dsgrue3 on 15 February 2013

It's like I told sales, if you want an entertainment box, get a PC.
I buy a video game console to do one thing - play games, anything else is just a bonus.



platformmaster918 on 15 February 2013
Veknoid_Outcast said:
Microsoft probably has created a better multimedia environment.

That being said, it's games that matter. Not Netflix, not Redbox, not ESPN, not YouTube.

Just give me a disc drive, a CPU, some RAM and processors, and wrap it all up in plastic, metal, and glass. Support it with awesome games. All the other applications and multimedia functions are just gravy.

I don't get how people can say that.  One can play blu-rays and support 7.1 surround, the other can't.  One lets you access almost all the apps of the other one FREE while the other one charges $60 for you to do so every year.  Which one sounds more like the entertainment hub now?




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