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ethomaz on 14 February 2013

kowenicki said:

He said he thought the 360 would last 4 or 5 years. and it would lack longevity... its 8 years old.

....and now you say "never had a lengevitiy system"  they'd only had before this. lol

Kaz Hirai, Jan 2009: "And with the Xbox - again, I can't come up with one word to fit. You need a word that describes something that lacks longevity. Last time I checked, they've never had a console that's been on the market for more than four or five years and we've committed to a ten year life cycle, so you do the math."

He is talking in the past... so XBOX and not 360.

Anyway off-topic.



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3sexty on 14 February 2013

So what do the folks here think of the 900,000 Microsoft Surface sales. I have one of these and enjoy it heaps. What does the future hold for Windows Tablets?



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dallas on 14 February 2013
kowenicki said:
dallas said:
superchunk said:
Who didn't see that coming?

Once Google had an actual tablet OS coupled with solid hardware at reasonable prices, its obvious it would surpass Apple. Just like what happened when Android on phones became a solid OS. (~v2.0)

Now, just like smartphones (Samsung), in another year or so a single or two Android tablet makers will directly beat Apple on their own.


I dont know if it was obvious, but Apple has by far gotten the most prestiget and buzz for its tablet, yet it still has gradually declined ever since the first android tablets have came out.

Of course it's market share has declined. They were pretty much the only tablet that sold at one time.  They are still increasing their own sales at a massive rate YOY and they are still selling 3 times as many as any other manufacturer.

a falling market share in a massively expanding maket is to be expected. 

Yeah, and we've gone from apple having around 95% of marketshare when the first android tablets came out to around 40% now..... It's only pitiful bc they should be able to do better as they are a massive company and should have been able to quash the android attempts at teh begining. 



famousringo on 14 February 2013
dallas said:
kowenicki said:
dallas said:
superchunk said:
Who didn't see that coming?

Once Google had an actual tablet OS coupled with solid hardware at reasonable prices, its obvious it would surpass Apple. Just like what happened when Android on phones became a solid OS. (~v2.0)

Now, just like smartphones (Samsung), in another year or so a single or two Android tablet makers will directly beat Apple on their own.


I dont know if it was obvious, but Apple has by far gotten the most prestiget and buzz for its tablet, yet it still has gradually declined ever since the first android tablets have came out.

Of course it's market share has declined. They were pretty much the only tablet that sold at one time.  They are still increasing their own sales at a massive rate YOY and they are still selling 3 times as many as any other manufacturer.

a falling market share in a massively expanding maket is to be expected. 

Yeah, and we've gone from apple having around 95% of marketshare when the first android tablets came out to around 40% now..... It's only pitiful bc they should be able to do better as they are a massive company and should have been able to quash the android attempts at teh begining. 

Why is marketshare so important? Android's marketshare hasn't made Google anywhere near the most profitable company in mobile, nor has it made Android the leading platform for mobile development. The 6 million estimated Kindle sales do nothing for Google, nor do untold millions of other "Android" devices that replace Google's services with competitors like Bing and Baidu.

The fact is that Google crows loudly about Android's marketshare because it is the only metric that makes Android look like a success, while iOS wins in revenue, profit, software sales, even Google's own search ad revenues.

We've seen this before. Remember back in 2008 when Wii fans like myself were certain that the console's breakout success would lead to a surge of third party development that would carry the console to historic lifetime sales? That never happened, because marketshare isn't the be-all, end-all of platform success. The monumental success of platforms like Windows and Playstation 2 have tricked us into believing market share is all that matters, but reality is more complex.

I've seen Android described as an unguided missile. It's taken off like a rocket, but Google has absolutely no control over where it will strike. It's proven to be just as capable of empowering rivals like Amazon and Baidu as it has Google, and it hasn't been particularly successful in stopping Apple.



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dallas on 14 February 2013
famousringo said:
dallas said:
kowenicki said:
dallas said:
superchunk said:
Who didn't see that coming?

Once Google had an actual tablet OS coupled with solid hardware at reasonable prices, its obvious it would surpass Apple. Just like what happened when Android on phones became a solid OS. (~v2.0)

Now, just like smartphones (Samsung), in another year or so a single or two Android tablet makers will directly beat Apple on their own.


I dont know if it was obvious, but Apple has by far gotten the most prestiget and buzz for its tablet, yet it still has gradually declined ever since the first android tablets have came out.

Of course it's market share has declined. They were pretty much the only tablet that sold at one time.  They are still increasing their own sales at a massive rate YOY and they are still selling 3 times as many as any other manufacturer.

a falling market share in a massively expanding maket is to be expected. 

Yeah, and we've gone from apple having around 95% of marketshare when the first android tablets came out to around 40% now..... It's only pitiful bc they should be able to do better as they are a massive company and should have been able to quash the android attempts at teh begining. 

Why is marketshare so important? Android's marketshare hasn't made Google anywhere near the most profitable company in mobile, nor has it made Android the leading platform for mobile development. The 6 million estimated Kindle sales do nothing for Google, nor do untold millions of other "Android" devices that replace Google's services with competitors like Bing and Baidu.

The fact is that Google crows loudly about Android's marketshare because it is the only metric that makes Android look like a success, while iOS wins in revenue, profit, software sales, even Google's own search ad revenues.

We've seen this before. Remember back in 2008 when Wii fans like myself were certain that the console's breakout success would lead to a surge of third party development that would carry the console to historic lifetime sales? That never happened, because marketshare isn't the be-all, end-all of platform success. The monumental success of platforms like Windows and Playstation 2 have tricked us into believing market share is all that matters, but reality is more complex.

I've seen Android described as an unguided missile. It's taken off like a rocket, but Google has absolutely no control over where it will strike. It's proven to be just as capable of empowering rivals like Amazon and Baidu as it has Google, and it hasn't been particularly successful in stopping Apple.

Well, about your point concerning apple; you do realize that Apple has lost both market share and stock value lately, right?  The drop in stock price was seen as a  *result* of the loss in market share.



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dallas on 14 February 2013
kowenicki said:
dallas said:
kowenicki said:
dallas said:
superchunk said:
Who didn't see that coming?

Once Google had an actual tablet OS coupled with solid hardware at reasonable prices, its obvious it would surpass Apple. Just like what happened when Android on phones became a solid OS. (~v2.0)

Now, just like smartphones (Samsung), in another year or so a single or two Android tablet makers will directly beat Apple on their own.


I dont know if it was obvious, but Apple has by far gotten the most prestiget and buzz for its tablet, yet it still has gradually declined ever since the first android tablets have came out.

Of course it's market share has declined. They were pretty much the only tablet that sold at one time.  They are still increasing their own sales at a massive rate YOY and they are still selling 3 times as many as any other manufacturer.

a falling market share in a massively expanding maket is to be expected. 

Yeah, and we've gone from apple having around 95% of marketshare when the first android tablets came out to around 40% now..... It's only pitiful bc they should be able to do better as they are a massive company and should have been able to quash the android attempts at teh begining. 


You have a very very weird view of how business works.  I'm guessing its based on text books and theory.  In the real work, where I do business, your view would be seen as naive in the extreme. 


This doesn't have jack squat to do with my views on business, i'm only relating two events.  If you think that this holds my ideas about business in general, then you need to put the hash pipe down, son.



80s_gamer on 14 February 2013

Are you lot serious. While the i agree there are some vendors that have Android based phones out on par with a a coupel surpassing the iPhone. Using Android as tablet experience is still quite away from being as good an experience as the iPad. There are so many reason i dislike my iPone (battery, phone interface, reception issues, silly 50 meg download restrictions to name a few), but a tablets main job at the moment is about consuming content (at present at least) whic hmeans its about content and the ipad has far superior content (just check out bbc iplayer). I own an iPad i bought my daughter and nephew and niece a cheap android tab for christmas. There 3-1 right there so the sales market share (not sales numbers) was inevitable. But in a market sector where content is king iPad wins hands down.



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famousringo on 14 February 2013
dallas said:
famousringo said:

Why is marketshare so important? Android's marketshare hasn't made Google anywhere near the most profitable company in mobile, nor has it made Android the leading platform for mobile development. The 6 million estimated Kindle sales do nothing for Google, nor do untold millions of other "Android" devices that replace Google's services with competitors like Bing and Baidu.

The fact is that Google crows loudly about Android's marketshare because it is the only metric that makes Android look like a success, while iOS wins in revenue, profit, software sales, even Google's own search ad revenues.

We've seen this before. Remember back in 2008 when Wii fans like myself were certain that the console's breakout success would lead to a surge of third party development that would carry the console to historic lifetime sales? That never happened, because marketshare isn't the be-all, end-all of platform success. The monumental success of platforms like Windows and Playstation 2 have tricked us into believing market share is all that matters, but reality is more complex.

I've seen Android described as an unguided missile. It's taken off like a rocket, but Google has absolutely no control over where it will strike. It's proven to be just as capable of empowering rivals like Amazon and Baidu as it has Google, and it hasn't been particularly successful in stopping Apple.

Well, about your point concerning apple; you do realize that Apple has lost both market share and stock value lately, right?  The drop in stock price was seen as a  *result* of the loss in market share.

The same market which has decided that Amazon, a company seemingly determined to never earn a profit, is not only a great investment but is actually worth more when it reports an earnings miss? Mr. Market is a loony. It might be a problem if Apple ever needs to raise capital *snicker*, or if Apple ever allows investors to make business decisions for it *serious*.



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rocketpig on 26 February 2013

What I find most fascinating is that Android is selling all these tablets but people don't actually use the things, at least not anywhere close to the level iOS owners use their devices.

I'm in the middle of a large site redesign and I've been pouring over Analytics for the site (which nets somewhere between 500k-900k pageviews a month). In the past month, just over 18% of my users are on iOS devices.

Android? 7.5%. I continue to wait for a large bump in Android traffic but it has barely moved in the past 8 months (last June, it was around 6.8%, now it's at 7.5%). During that same timeframe, iOS has gone from under 14% to just over 18%.

Strange. What the hell are people doing with these Android tablets? I can understand not using a phone to browse the internet much but not browsing on a tablet? That's just odd.




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