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the2real4mafol on 04 February 2013
Kasz216 said:
the2real4mafol said:
thranx said:
the2real4mafol said:
SxyxS said:
kain_kusanagi said:
When did the media start referring to emissions as "climate pollution"?


Since climategate they were forced to change names and strategies to keep the lie alive

Former "global warming" is now called "climate change".As the word climate change does not have the strong manipulative impact as "global warming" they need to add some new words-just like"climate pollution".

wanna know more about climate lie?

Donna Lafromboise book"the delinquent teenager..." 

The climate does change (for hotter or colder) every other thousand years, whether we humans contribute to this change or not is another matter. Maybe some parts of the media blow it out of proportion. But we must change our livestyles in case the worst happens or we will the face ultimate consequence, extinction. Recycling and increasingly relying on renewable and effiecient energy is apart of our future, whether you like it or not. Coal, oil and gas are running out anyway, so we might as well start the change.

  

The change in climate in the last 1000 years is known, it's fact from the accounts of people who lived back then. It's certainly not a lie that climate changes, although co2 being a factor for this change, probably is a lie. 

We are n ot running out of any of those. it wont happen anytime soon or in the foreseeable future. every year more sources are found, and more ways are found to extract it.  Nor is there any danger of going extinct due to pollution. if pollution reached that levels, as people died of there would be less pollution made until there was a balance again.

Oil at least will run out sooner rather than later, why else are we seeing wars over it? 

Well for one... we aren't seeing wars over oil.

At least not since the FIRST Iraq war when Iraq attacked Kuwait... which was also debt focused.

What about the second gulf war? Why did America even go there? For the oil, of course. They left the region worse than before, even though Saddam Hussein is gone



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Marks on 04 February 2013

Sweet! Some good news. Oh and what's that, this was thanks to the free market?? But I thought we needed carbon taxes, and environmental regulation?? /sarcasm

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thranx on 05 February 2013
the2real4mafol said:
Kasz216 said:
the2real4mafol said:
thranx said:
the2real4mafol said:
SxyxS said:
kain_kusanagi said:
When did the media start referring to emissions as "climate pollution"?


Since climategate they were forced to change names and strategies to keep the lie alive

Former "global warming" is now called "climate change".As the word climate change does not have the strong manipulative impact as "global warming" they need to add some new words-just like"climate pollution".

wanna know more about climate lie?

Donna Lafromboise book"the delinquent teenager..." 

The climate does change (for hotter or colder) every other thousand years, whether we humans contribute to this change or not is another matter. Maybe some parts of the media blow it out of proportion. But we must change our livestyles in case the worst happens or we will the face ultimate consequence, extinction. Recycling and increasingly relying on renewable and effiecient energy is apart of our future, whether you like it or not. Coal, oil and gas are running out anyway, so we might as well start the change.

  

The change in climate in the last 1000 years is known, it's fact from the accounts of people who lived back then. It's certainly not a lie that climate changes, although co2 being a factor for this change, probably is a lie. 

We are n ot running out of any of those. it wont happen anytime soon or in the foreseeable future. every year more sources are found, and more ways are found to extract it.  Nor is there any danger of going extinct due to pollution. if pollution reached that levels, as people died of there would be less pollution made until there was a balance again.

Oil at least will run out sooner rather than later, why else are we seeing wars over it? 

Well for one... we aren't seeing wars over oil.

At least not since the FIRST Iraq war when Iraq attacked Kuwait... which was also debt focused.

What about the second gulf war? Why did America even go there? For the oil, of course. They left the region worse than before, even though Saddam Hussein is gone


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Iraq#2009_Oil_services_contracts

 

doesn't look like we got the lions share of the oil.



Kasz216 on 05 February 2013
the2real4mafol said:
Kasz216 said:
the2real4mafol said:
thranx said:
the2real4mafol said:
SxyxS said:
kain_kusanagi said:
When did the media start referring to emissions as "climate pollution"?


Since climategate they were forced to change names and strategies to keep the lie alive

Former "global warming" is now called "climate change".As the word climate change does not have the strong manipulative impact as "global warming" they need to add some new words-just like"climate pollution".

wanna know more about climate lie?

Donna Lafromboise book"the delinquent teenager..." 

The climate does change (for hotter or colder) every other thousand years, whether we humans contribute to this change or not is another matter. Maybe some parts of the media blow it out of proportion. But we must change our livestyles in case the worst happens or we will the face ultimate consequence, extinction. Recycling and increasingly relying on renewable and effiecient energy is apart of our future, whether you like it or not. Coal, oil and gas are running out anyway, so we might as well start the change.

  

The change in climate in the last 1000 years is known, it's fact from the accounts of people who lived back then. It's certainly not a lie that climate changes, although co2 being a factor for this change, probably is a lie. 

We are n ot running out of any of those. it wont happen anytime soon or in the foreseeable future. every year more sources are found, and more ways are found to extract it.  Nor is there any danger of going extinct due to pollution. if pollution reached that levels, as people died of there would be less pollution made until there was a balance again.

Oil at least will run out sooner rather than later, why else are we seeing wars over it? 

Well for one... we aren't seeing wars over oil.

At least not since the FIRST Iraq war when Iraq attacked Kuwait... which was also debt focused.

What about the second gulf war? Why did America even go there? For the oil, of course. They left the region worse than before, even though Saddam Hussein is gone


If we went to Iraq over oil we sure did a shitty job of it, since we pretty much lost the majority of oil contracts we bid for.

Why did the US invade Iraq?  Bush had a fairly black&white view of evil and believed in natonbuilding of democracies for the greater good.

Mixed in with a bit of competitiveness and tough feelings between father and son...  Bush won the first gulf war but was widely critisized for not "finishing the job" and the fact that Iraq was providing a  conveint situation for invasion.



Mr Khan on 06 February 2013
Kasz216 said:
the2real4mafol said:

Oil at least will run out sooner rather than later, why else are we seeing wars over it? 

Well for one... we aren't seeing wars over oil.

At least not since the FIRST Iraq war when Iraq attacked Kuwait... which was also debt focused.

Nigeria and Cameroon fought two border wars over oil in the 1990s. The Senkaku Islands dispute between China and Japan, or the re-flaming of the dispute over the Falklands is due to possible gas shelves. Granted, neither are wars (yet).



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sales2099 on 06 February 2013

Problem solving itself?



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Kasz216 on 06 February 2013
Mr Khan said:
Kasz216 said:
the2real4mafol said:
 

Oil at least will run out sooner rather than later, why else are we seeing wars over it? 

Well for one... we aren't seeing wars over oil.

At least not since the FIRST Iraq war when Iraq attacked Kuwait... which was also debt focused.

Nigeria and Cameroon fought two border wars over oil in the 1990s. The Senkaku Islands dispute between China and Japan, or the re-flaming of the dispute over the Falklands is due to possible gas shelves. Granted, neither are wars (yet).

Fair enough.  Arguebaly you could consider the Syrian civil war a war for Oil as well since it seems it's largely being funded and supplied by Qatar who are looking to disrupt a syrian deal with iraq.

Admittidly I was just mostly talking about Iraq.  My point is, there really aren't cases of Western nations trying balls out to conquerer what little oil remains or anything like that.

 

Really, oil is a lot like having some really good icecream in the icebox, you want to make sure it lasts so you eat other stuff to make it last...  except... we're living in house with about 30 other people... so your restraint is meaningless as your share will just be devoured by your roomates.

A smart strategy would be to keep using oil, while spending money on research on renewables and geoengineering.

With the US government retaining a share of the patent and gaining royalties from sales of the developed tech.