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richardhutnik on 03 February 2013
Nem said:
richardhutnik said:

What exactly is the current geneeration of PC graphics cards getting gamers from a gameplay experience perspective?  

 

Just graphical upgrades. I'm not sure what you're getting at. My point is that people cant recognise what next-gen graphics are unless they are on their favorite console.

Its got nothing to do with gameplay enhancements. But that is exactly why all major players are trying to come up with something different to diferentiate themselves in the market. Because the graphical difference wont be major between all systems.

What is lacking graphically from this generation that requires a graphics update to get people to go out and buy a new console, to a sufficient degree, that it will meet the cries of the industry for new consoles because sales are off?   Pretty much, what is the Wii going to fail to deliver on that the other consoles will, that they end up ahead in the end?



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richardhutnik on 03 February 2013
archbrix said:
Sensei said:
Thinking of Sega Genesis x Super NES, the Sega Genesis was inferior but it had a faster CPU, which allowed fast games like Sonic to give it an edge, or games to allow lots of stuff at once in the screen (coop beat em ups like Streets of Rage). The weakness in CPU of Super NES allowed Sega Genesis to do well in USA.

 

The Genesis' faster CPU wasn't what allowed the console to do well against the SNES in the US. The Sega Genesis had a full two year headstart on the market, had good brand recognition, and amassed a strong library of titles before the SNES arrived, to say nothing of the Sega Sports line which did well for the Genesis.

Heck, painting Nintendo as the more "kiddy" console did more for Sega than the "blast processing" commercials did.

When you have all that, and you specs put the system in the same class, even if inferior (the Genesis, in the end was inferior and eventually lost to the SNES), you can be very competitive, which is what the Genesis was.



Nem on 04 February 2013
Hynad said:
teigaga said:
Nem said:
Hynad said:
Nem said:
Err... the same as always?

We're yet to see how much of a difference it will be, but if X is anything to go by, it wont be a huge difference. So it wont make a huge difference who wins. The following gen will be a step up regardless.
Its getting dumb how people seem to be convinced that the Wii U is current gen. Really, it isnt. Its next gen. X was the proof right there.


X, while looking quite awesome, doesn't scream next gen at all, visually. It does seem better than any JRPGs released on the HD twins (which isn't telling much, since we barely had any AAA releases from that genre this gen), but not really by a big margin.  But, you know, games on the PS360 still look great. So I don't see what the problem really is if people don't think it looks next gen. 

I'm not saying the Wii isn't capable of delivering much better visuals than the PS360. Just that using what we have seen of X as an example that the Wii U is clearly a gen above the PS360 is kind of strange to me. 


I really dont know what you're playing at. The only other thing at the same level as X is Star wars 1313. Both are next gen titles. That is what next gen looks like. I swear people dont understand what next-gen is going to be and are in for a rude wake up. Then again maybe it just needs to be shown by their favorite company for them to recognise it?

Next gen is going to use graphic cards far below the best ones we find on PC's today. Next gen has been on the PC for a while. I swear i dont understand. Theres not gonna be any jump like HD or 2D to 3D. What you see on X is next-gen. And it is miles ahead what current gen offers in terms of texture detail, fps and ammount of things on screen aswell as particle effects and animation. Thats what next gen is gonna be, dont fool yourself.

I know this is not what you said, but it just made me go on a rant mode.

Lets wait for the 20th before we start concluding what 720/ps4 games will look like. I do think star wars 1313 is a good few notches above X


What I don't understand is how you can say any of this when talking about X based on what was shown of it so far.  I see a JRPG that really looks awesome, but I don't see this next gen stuff you're trying to talk about.

As for what you say about the other next gen consoles, well as far as I know, they haven't been revealed, so maybe you should tone down the "predictions as fact" a little.


It goes both ways doesnt it? I havent seen it yet, but neither have you. So maybe we should tone down the doom threads aswell.



Hynad on 04 February 2013
Nem said:
Hynad said:
teigaga said:
Nem said:
Hynad said:
Nem said:
Err... the same as always?

We're yet to see how much of a difference it will be, but if X is anything to go by, it wont be a huge difference. So it wont make a huge difference who wins. The following gen will be a step up regardless.
Its getting dumb how people seem to be convinced that the Wii U is current gen. Really, it isnt. Its next gen. X was the proof right there.


X, while looking quite awesome, doesn't scream next gen at all, visually. It does seem better than any JRPGs released on the HD twins (which isn't telling much, since we barely had any AAA releases from that genre this gen), but not really by a big margin.  But, you know, games on the PS360 still look great. So I don't see what the problem really is if people don't think it looks next gen. 

I'm not saying the Wii isn't capable of delivering much better visuals than the PS360. Just that using what we have seen of X as an example that the Wii U is clearly a gen above the PS360 is kind of strange to me. 


I really dont know what you're playing at. The only other thing at the same level as X is Star wars 1313. Both are next gen titles. That is what next gen looks like. I swear people dont understand what next-gen is going to be and are in for a rude wake up. Then again maybe it just needs to be shown by their favorite company for them to recognise it?

Next gen is going to use graphic cards far below the best ones we find on PC's today. Next gen has been on the PC for a while. I swear i dont understand. Theres not gonna be any jump like HD or 2D to 3D. What you see on X is next-gen. And it is miles ahead what current gen offers in terms of texture detail, fps and ammount of things on screen aswell as particle effects and animation. Thats what next gen is gonna be, dont fool yourself.

I know this is not what you said, but it just made me go on a rant mode.

Lets wait for the 20th before we start concluding what 720/ps4 games will look like. I do think star wars 1313 is a good few notches above X


What I don't understand is how you can say any of this when talking about X based on what was shown of it so far.  I see a JRPG that really looks awesome, but I don't see this next gen stuff you're trying to talk about.

As for what you say about the other next gen consoles, well as far as I know, they haven't been revealed, so maybe you should tone down the "predictions as fact" a little.


It goes both ways doesnt it? I havent seen it yet, but neither have you. So maybe we should tone down the doom threads aswell.


Doom threads? How so? I already said that I'm certain that the Wii U is more powerful than the PS360. Never once said anything about the console being doomed or any kind of stupid shit like that.  So yeah... Tone it down already.  



Nem on 04 February 2013
Hynad said:


Doom threads? How so? I already said that I'm certain that the Wii U is more powerful than the PS360. Never once said anything about the console being doomed or any kind of stupid shit like that.  So yeah... Tone it down already.  

 

Doom threads like the one were on? My toning up is very modest so theres nothing to tone down.



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Hynad on 04 February 2013
Nem said:
Hynad said:
 


Doom threads? How so? I already said that I'm certain that the Wii U is more powerful than the PS360. Never once said anything about the console being doomed or any kind of stupid shit like that.  So yeah... Tone it down already.  

 

Doom threads like the one were on? My toning up is very modest so theres nothing to tone down.

Well, you're the one passing your speculations about the other systems as facts... -__-



dsgrue3 on 04 February 2013

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Nem on 04 February 2013
Hynad said:
Nem said:
Hynad said:
 


Doom threads? How so? I already said that I'm certain that the Wii U is more powerful than the PS360. Never once said anything about the console being doomed or any kind of stupid shit like that.  So yeah... Tone it down already.  

 

Doom threads like the one were on? My toning up is very modest so theres nothing to tone down.

Well, you're the one passing your speculations about the other systems as facts... -__-


Its not as much fact as it is logic. It can still be wrong though. Thats what Sony and Microsoft have to prove to us.



Raze on 04 February 2013
Soundwave said:

Wii is the exception, but the PS3 might still overtake it.


Are you really still on this thought? Soon as the PS4 is announced officially, PS3 sales are going to drop significantly. Considering there's still a massive distance between them, there's no way that anyone will surpass the Wii's sales. They've locked in a solid 1st place, its done and over with. Onto the next gen!



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archbrix on 04 February 2013
richardhutnik said:
archbrix said:
Sensei said:
Thinking of Sega Genesis x Super NES, the Sega Genesis was inferior but it had a faster CPU, which allowed fast games like Sonic to give it an edge, or games to allow lots of stuff at once in the screen (coop beat em ups like Streets of Rage). The weakness in CPU of Super NES allowed Sega Genesis to do well in USA.

 

The Genesis' faster CPU wasn't what allowed the console to do well against the SNES in the US. The Sega Genesis had a full two year headstart on the market, had good brand recognition, and amassed a strong library of titles before the SNES arrived, to say nothing of the Sega Sports line which did well for the Genesis.

Heck, painting Nintendo as the more "kiddy" console did more for Sega than the "blast processing" commercials did.

When you have all that, and you specs put the system in the same class, even if inferior (the Genesis, in the end was inferior and eventually lost to the SNES), you can be very competitive, which is what the Genesis was.

My point is that the weakness of the SNES CPU wasn't what was imperatively instrumental in making the Genesis competitive, which I stand by.