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pokoko on 01 February 2013
Gamerace said:
This is all well and good and I look forward to their reveal but what is Sony's recent obsession with power? PS1 & 2 were not the most powerful but they did amazingly well. PS3/Vita were and look where that got them. Last place and huge losses. Gaming history has shown the most powerful system has never ever won any generation either handheld or home and usually leads to big losses (Xbox, PS3). Sony is not even in a position to be playing this type of game anymore.
If they allow MS to undercut them on price with similar specs they'll have lost another generation. Why Sony? Why?

The PS3 was so expensive because they were using brand new technology with the Cell processor and Blu-Ray, not simply because it was a powerful system.  The PS4 is expected to have much cheaper components that are closer to off-the-shelf, existing components.  That's a much different scenario.

The 720 isn't expected to be cheaper, or much cheaper, because a lot of people believe it will ship with some form of Kinect or other technology.

 



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DanneSandin on 01 February 2013
pokoko said:
DanneSandin said:
pokoko said:
The controller thing is interesting but I'd have to see/touch to form an opinion. Sounds like it would be awesome for OS/Store navigation, though.

The delay is Europe's own fault for being overly complex. I have no sympathy.

Yeah, seems like it'll be something inbetweena Wii U gamepad and a dreamcast controller...

I think it's kinda stupid of Sony to ONCE again neglect their biggest market; what if MS gets a foothold there early on?

It's just logistics.  The US is one place.  Japan is one place.  Europe is a whole bunch of different places, each with their own red tape.  I don't think it's ignoring Europe as much as it is NOT delaying the other two primary markets for the sake of Europe.

If it's a touchpad on the new controller, then it will be better at some things than the Wii U and worse at others, which is interesting.  

If I were SOny I'd postpone the Japanese release in favor of EU; Wii U is already there and x3ox will probably not make as much as a dent there anyways, so Sony can focus on more urgent markets...

Yeah, it's gonna be interesting to see in what kind of fashion they'll use their screen!!



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dsgrue3 on 01 February 2013
DanneSandin said:

PlayStation 4 revealed

Sony is set to reveal its next PlayStation on Wednesday February 20th at an event dubbed ‘see the future’. Sony Computer Entertainment released a teaser video last night to announce the event. Below, our sources revealed what to expect from PlayStation 4.

The controller

 same size as an existing DualShock but features a small touchpad in place of the existing Select, Start and PS buttons. The tech is based on Vita’s rear touchpad, and is similarly responsive in use.

The launch

 We’re told that PlayStation 4 will launch in Japan and the US by Christmas

Hype train.



Gamerace on 01 February 2013
DanneSandin said:
Gamerace said:
This is all well and good and I look forward to their reveal but what is Sony's recent obsession with power? PS1 & 2 were not the most powerful but they did amazingly well. PS3/Vita were and look where that got them. Last place and huge losses. Gaming history has shown the most powerful system has never ever won any generation either handheld or home and usually leads to big losses (Xbox, PS3). Sony is not even in a position to be playing this type of game anymore.
If they allow MS to undercut them on price with similar specs they'll have lost another generation. Why Sony? Why?

Well, a lot of the costs last time around were for the Blu-ray... And what else can they do? They can't have similar specs as Nintendo, because then they'd both get the same 3rd party support and Sony would get destroyed by Nintendos 1st party games... They need to compete with MS, as MS need to compete with Sony; they can't face off Nintendo on equal terms


PS3 is already facing off (and winning) against WiiU.    PS4 must counter 720 - and upstarts like Ouya/SteamBox.  But more power isn't the answer, better value is or some strong hook like Wii and Kinect had or at least getting out first.     Their new controller looks promising but after WiiU's launch (and Ouya) will just be new accepted form.  Doubtless MS new controller will also have some touchpad or such (be surprised if it doesn't).  

It looks like MS will out-innovate, out price and be to market first (europe).  None of that bodes well for PS4.



 

DanneSandin on 01 February 2013
Gamerace said:
DanneSandin said:
Gamerace said:
This is all well and good and I look forward to their reveal but what is Sony's recent obsession with power? PS1 & 2 were not the most powerful but they did amazingly well. PS3/Vita were and look where that got them. Last place and huge losses. Gaming history has shown the most powerful system has never ever won any generation either handheld or home and usually leads to big losses (Xbox, PS3). Sony is not even in a position to be playing this type of game anymore.
If they allow MS to undercut them on price with similar specs they'll have lost another generation. Why Sony? Why?

Well, a lot of the costs last time around were for the Blu-ray... And what else can they do? They can't have similar specs as Nintendo, because then they'd both get the same 3rd party support and Sony would get destroyed by Nintendos 1st party games... They need to compete with MS, as MS need to compete with Sony; they can't face off Nintendo on equal terms


PS3 is already facing off (and winning) against WiiU.    PS4 must counter 720 - and upstarts like Ouya/SteamBox.  But more power isn't the answer, better value is or some strong hook like Wii and Kinect had or at least getting out first.     Their new controller looks promising but after WiiU's launch (and Ouya) will just be new accepted form.  Doubtless MS new controller will also have some touchpad or such (be surprised if it doesn't).  

It looks like MS will out-innovate, out price and be to market first (europe).  None of that bodes well for PS4.

Well, PS2 were beating both of the 360 and PS3 (and possibly Wii?) in the beginning, and that didn't really matter anything for the out come of the gen... But I agree that value is what sell systems; Wii had great value, and Kinect had it as well, and it remains to see which console will have the greatest value this coming gen...

But yeah, I have a feeling that MS might take home this gen...



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platformmaster918 on 01 February 2013
DanneSandin said:
Gamerace said:
This is all well and good and I look forward to their reveal but what is Sony's recent obsession with power? PS1 & 2 were not the most powerful but they did amazingly well. PS3/Vita were and look where that got them. Last place and huge losses. Gaming history has shown the most powerful system has never ever won any generation either handheld or home and usually leads to big losses (Xbox, PS3). Sony is not even in a position to be playing this type of game anymore.
If they allow MS to undercut them on price with similar specs they'll have lost another generation. Why Sony? Why?

Well, a lot of the costs last time around were for the Blu-ray... And what else can they do? They can't have similar specs as Nintendo, because then they'd both get the same 3rd party support and Sony would get destroyed by Nintendos 1st party games... They need to compete with MS, as MS need to compete with Sony; they can't face off Nintendo on equal terms

This again?  Nintendo is great and Sony is great in different ways with first party stuff but Sony deserves way more respect when it comes to first party.  Sony makes new IPs and invests in game MS wouldn't touch with a 10 foot pole (Sly cooper, Journey, Rain, Heavy Rain, Beyond, Flower, Unfinished Swan, etc.).  I mean Uncharted, Infamous, LBP, Resistance, Heavenly Sword were all created this gen.  If they had bought out Crash and done a Mario strategy with it (one big release every gen) it would be huge like Mario by now most likely (it was during PSone) but they take a different strategy of moving on and only keeping a couple franchises each gen (GT is the only one that they've kept from PSone that I can think of and it sells 10 million now so this proves my point).  Nintendo is awesome cause they polish their franchises for 25 years till they're a mirror sheen and keep platformers and old-school adventure going.  Sony is awesome cause they make new innovative IPs and push storytelling and have the best variety in the industry.  They are both awesome and Sony has sold an awful lot of PS3s on first party franchises and free online (since they've been most expensive the whole gen so 3rd party buyers go MS).




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Osc89 on 01 February 2013

DanneSandin said:

 Well, a lot of the costs last time around were for the Blu-ray... And what else can they do? They can't have similar specs as Nintendo, because then they'd both get the same 3rd party support and Sony would get destroyed by Nintendos 1st party games... They need to compete with MS, as MS need to compete with Sony; they can't face off Nintendo on equal terms


Really? What about PS1/2, they managed against Nintendo's first party games. Even though that should be the first thing people look at when getting a console, it generally isn't.

 

Edit: Looks like the guys above got there first lol



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DanneSandin on 01 February 2013
Osc89 said:

DanneSandin said:

Well, a lot of the costs last time around were for the Blu-ray... And what else can they do? They can't have similar specs as Nintendo, because then they'd both get the same 3rd party support and Sony would get destroyed by Nintendos 1st party games... They need to compete with MS, as MS need to compete with Sony; they can't face off Nintendo on equal terms


Really? What about PS1/2, they managed against Nintendo's first party games. Even though that should be the first thing people look at when getting a console, it generally isn't.

Oh, they had superior 3rd party support. That ALWAYS wins! Well, until Wii came around...



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enditall727 on 01 February 2013
Gamerace said:
This is all well and good and I look forward to their reveal but what is Sony's recent obsession with power? PS1 & 2 were not the most powerful but they did amazingly well. PS3/Vita were and look where that got them. Last place and huge losses. Gaming history has shown the most powerful system has never ever won any generation either handheld or home and usually leads to big losses (Xbox, PS3). Sony is not even in a position to be playing this type of game anymore.
If they allow MS to undercut them on price with similar specs they'll have lost another generation. Why Sony? Why?

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pokoko on 01 February 2013
DanneSandin said:
pokoko said:

It's just logistics.  The US is one place.  Japan is one place.  Europe is a whole bunch of different places, each with their own red tape.  I don't think it's ignoring Europe as much as it is NOT delaying the other two primary markets for the sake of Europe.

If it's a touchpad on the new controller, then it will be better at some things than the Wii U and worse at others, which is interesting.

If I were SOny I'd postpone the Japanese release in favor of EU; Wii U is already there and x3ox will probably not make as much as a dent there anyways, so Sony can focus on more urgent markets...

Yeah, it's gonna be interesting to see in what kind of fashion they'll use their screen!!

That's not exactly what I meant.  I'm saying that Europe would probably be delayed regardless, it's just a matter of whether they move back the US and Japanese dates to match it.

Japan is easy.  It's one country and small besides.  The US is easy, too, despite being big.  It's still just one country with one set of red tape to cut.  Once it gets to a distribution center, you just put it on trucks and ship it out.  Europe is several different countries, each with their own customs process and legalities to navigate.  The logistics are much more complicated.  I was just kidding about not being sympathetic but I do think it's understandable.