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ethomaz said:

superchunk said:

... and so has Samsung's. Kinda why they took 1st place with the Galaxy S2.

Samsung never took the 1st place with just one model... all the models together took the 1st place... even the Galaxy S3 never sold like iPhone.

PS. There are a lot of more Galaxy models than you listed.

Apple hasn't sold just one model in many many years. But it doesn't matter, the point is both companies have increased seasonally every time with their new products.



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I'm glad to hear that Apple is still doing well. I love my iPhone 4S .



Number of models really only matters in terms of product development and scaling cost, and the costs of platform fragmentation. Keeping costs down is important, but that doesn't mean product segmentation isn't a valid strategy for increasing market power.

It's true that Samsung has been steadily growing in America, but the rate at which Apple has been converting dumbphone users into smartphone users in the US is much higher. That means that in the time that Apple has gone from rounding error to leading the market in just this last quarter, Samsung has gone from leading the market with 20% of phones to leading it with 32% for 2012.

Just look at the annual change on the original Strategy Analytics release. In 2012, Samsung added 4% of the market. Apple seized 10% more. Apple is gobbling up that remaining 35% a lot faster than Samsung.



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Can't wait to see the market/quarter %'s after the gs4



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ethomaz said:

superchunk said:

... and so has Samsung's. Kinda why they took 1st place with the Galaxy S2.

Samsung never took the 1st place with just one model... all the models together took the 1st place... even the Galaxy S3 never sold like iPhone.

PS. There are a lot of more Galaxy models than you listed.

In one of Samsung's only actual known sales numbers, they announced a couple weeks ago that the entire Galaxy S line shipped 100 million units in the 31 months since its launch in May 2010.  As a new brand, it has ramped up far faster than the original iPhone (which had to single-handedly create the market for modern smartphones). There's no question that Samsung has done an extremely good job of fast-following.  More quickly than any other iPhone competitor they realized it was vital to invest heavily into that market, and shrewdly outspent their competitors in marketing and production.

But notice that 109 million iPhones were sold in just the 9 months from April to December 2012 (that's a mixture of 4, 4S and 5, and there were supply shortages on the 4 and 5).  Okay, to be fair to the Galaxy S4, let's count back from BEFORE the iPhone 5 launch.  They sold 125 million iPhones between October 2011 to September 2012.  These are hard, indisputable facts (notwithstanding my own calculation errors) taken from actionable press releases.

In VGChartz parlance, it seems fair to say that iPhone has stronger legs than Samsung Galaxy S.  The flagship of the Galaxy line may overtake the iPhone at product launch time, but since the iPhone significantly outsold all three models in less than half the time, there must be a different cause for why Samsung seems to be selling more smartphones than Apple.  I'll admit, I'm biased towards Apple and Nintendo, so I lean toward the "mostly low-end crap-phones" hypothesis.  But I'd appreciate hearing another explanation: for instance, is it possible that all of the sales guesstimates published as fact are wildly inaccurate?



ebw said:

In one of Samsung's only actual known sales numbers, they announced a couple weeks ago that the entire Galaxy S line shipped 100 million units in the 31 months since its launch in May 2010.  As a new brand, it has ramped up far faster than the original iPhone (which had to single-handedly create the market for modern smartphones). There's no question that Samsung has done an extremely good job of fast-following.  More quickly than any other iPhone competitor they realized it was vital to invest heavily into that market, and shrewdly outspent their competitors in marketing and production.

But notice that 109 million iPhones were sold in just the 9 months from April to December 2012 (that's a mixture of 4, 4S and 5, and there were supply shortages on the 4 and 5).  Okay, to be fair to the Galaxy S4, let's count back from BEFORE the iPhone 5 launch.  They sold 125 million iPhones between October 2011 to September 2012.  These are hard, indisputable facts (notwithstanding my own calculation errors) taken from actionable press releases.

In VGChartz parlance, it seems fair to say that iPhone has stronger legs than Samsung Galaxy S.  The flagship of the Galaxy line may overtake the iPhone at product launch time, but since the iPhone significantly outsold all three models in less than half the time, there must be a different cause for why Samsung seems to be selling more smartphones than Apple.  I'll admit, I'm biased towards Apple and Nintendo, so I lean toward the "mostly low-end crap-phones" hypothesis.  But I'd appreciate hearing another explanation: for instance, is it possible that all of the sales guesstimates published as fact are wildly inaccurate?

What do you are arguing? Only iPhone 5 sold more than any Galaxy in 2012... yeap a phone released in just 3 months.

PS. Yeah I didn't read eveything you wrote... sorry I'm drunk again.



superchunk said:
You do realize they just trade back and forth every year as their new devices launch.

When the next "galaxy" series launched Samsung is #1 until the next iPhone launches... rinse and repeat.


That could be it, I mean we are talking about quarterly results here.  I think that results on a  year over year kind of basis would be better information.



NintendoPie said:
Good for Apple, all those people hating on them should see this "comeback."


Comeback? Apple has always been very financially profitable.



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dallas said:
superchunk said:
You do realize they just trade back and forth every year as their new devices launch.

When the next "galaxy" series launched Samsung is #1 until the next iPhone launches... rinse and repeat.


That could be it, I mean we are talking about quarterly results here.  I think that results on a  year over year kind of basis would be better information.

According to the verifiable facts, it would appear that the iPhone line has outsold the Galaxy S line (but not including other Galaxies like Note) by a wide margin in the long run.  Not just in the US, but worldwide.  So unless I've missed something big (such as a decimal place, or I accidentally compared region vs world somewhere), I think it's a false equivalence that the two flagships of Apple and Samsung just keep trading places back and forth.  When you smooth out short-term fluctuations like product launches, iPhone seems to be ahead by a mile, and Samsung's larger unit sales mostly come from elsewhere (anyone have hard numbers on the Note series?).