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Lostplanet22 on 29 January 2013

MS is struggeling with Xbox live Gold? Thanks to games like Halo 4 their was a big jump in Gold Accounts. Honestly I think more are dropping out of PS plus. Was happy that friends got an PS plus account so they finally could try games like Red dead redemption /just cause 2 (games that I recommended a lot) and when I asked last time they like the games they just told me they not even tried most of the free games and don't see a point anymore to keep going on with it.



 

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bananaking21 on 29 January 2013
MB1025 said:
pezus said:
MB1025 said:
bertlsenix said:
J_Allard said:
It's a great service for customers but lol @ comparing it to XBL. They are two different services that offer two different things.


Yeah its wrong to compare them cause PSN+ is in every way superior and customer friendly.
And of course they offer different thngs...PSN+ is offering a lot of value in terms of free stuff for the customer and better quality for services both share.


No XBL is the entire experiecne from online gaming, apps, and so on. PS+ is a subscription based service that has nothing to do with online gaming and apps.

You have to pay for the same apps as PS players have to, no? PS3's entire online experience is free, so you can see why people say XBLGold compares unfavourably to Plus - which is an additional service, that is still cheaper than a year of Gold.


No you comapre Xbox Live to PSN. Not PS Plus which is a side service that give you free content. You don't need PS Plus to play online. However I would rather pay 60 dollars a year to have a better online experience with first and thrid party than Sony's free experience and have have a mediocre expereince.

In the end that is Son'y fault. They had to play catch up with their entire online sevice for years and still they are far behind when it comes to cross chat and connectivity. There is a CLEAR difference between Call of Duty and Battlefield on Xbox and those same games on PS3. People who play Call of Duty on PS3 get kicked out of games on the regular for no reason. No problems on Xbox though.

then explain, if your so sure and xbox live is better, explain. give proof to any fault that psn or xbox live have. until then psn is miles better than xbox live



Gribble on 29 January 2013
pokoko said:
Gribble said:
pokoko said:
Gribble said:
I think the case is just too compelling to argue against PS+. Even IF you call it a rental system (which in essence is true) that's less that £1 per game. Then there's the discounts, auto updates and online saves. This is an 'everyman's' article for me.

The discounts, auto updates, and online saves are every bit as important to me as the games, perhaps even moreso.  I LOVE SO MUCH turning on my PS3 and seeing that EVERYTHING has been downloaded and patched up.  The first time it happened I think I cried a little.

I also want to own up and say that I scoffed at PS+ at first.  I thought it was going to be another half-baked idea from Sony that they would abandon after a year.  I'm glad they proved me wrong.

Same here actually. The problem is that I've just bought Disgaea 4 and the patch patches a few levels that were great for grinding. My son wanted me to turn the auto update off, so I obliged and I'm not bloody happy about it! Is there a way to stop it updating one particular game?

Hm, that's a tough situation.  It would surprise me if there is a way to disable one update, as publishers and developers want their releases patched for the very reason you're talking about, to remove exploits.  There might be methods out there but I don't know them.  Tell your son that he's got one week to get to level 1000 before you're turning it back on!

On topic, I hope no one is suggesting that Jim Sterling is a Sony fanboy?  This is the guy who goes into a rage because of system updates every other month.  I think he's awful at what he does but I will say he's negative and sensationalisic about all consoles equally.

Cheers ... I'll just have to hope he gets bored of it when I get Ni No Kuni.

On topic: I remember when PS+ launched and was met with somewhat diluted responses, but now it's gathered quite the momentum. I see a problem ahead for PS+ on PS4 though. Sony won't be able to offer 12 games out of the gate, simply because they're won't BE 12 games to put on there. As a result, it's going to be harder for Sony to persuade people to opt for PS+ instead of LIVE. We'll probably see a repeat of this gen with PS+ starting out with a whimper and growing over the first two years to something close to what it is now in PS3. On a side note, PS+ is a great way of replacing the second hand market because, let's be honest, that's what console manufacturers rely on to extend their console lifecycle to the promised ten years.



riderz13371 on 29 January 2013
Lostplanet22 said:
MS is struggeling with Xbox live Gold? Thanks to games like Halo 4 their was a big jump in Gold Accounts. Honestly I think more are dropping out of PS plus. Was happy that friends got an PS plus account so they finally could try games like Red dead redemption /just cause 2 (games that I recommended a lot) and when I asked last time they like the games they just told me they not even tried most of the free games and don't see a point anymore to keep going on with it.


PS Plus 259% increase in subscribers in November 2012

http://www.engadget.com/2012/11/29/playstation-3-vita-black-friday-2012-sales/



riderz13371 on 29 January 2013
MB1025 said:
pezus said:
MB1025 said:
bertlsenix said:
J_Allard said:
It's a great service for customers but lol @ comparing it to XBL. They are two different services that offer two different things.


Yeah its wrong to compare them cause PSN+ is in every way superior and customer friendly.
And of course they offer different thngs...PSN+ is offering a lot of value in terms of free stuff for the customer and better quality for services both share.


No XBL is the entire experiecne from online gaming, apps, and so on. PS+ is a subscription based service that has nothing to do with online gaming and apps.

You have to pay for the same apps as PS players have to, no? PS3's entire online experience is free, so you can see why people say XBLGold compares unfavourably to Plus - which is an additional service, that is still cheaper than a year of Gold.


No you comapre Xbox Live to PSN. Not PS Plus which is a side service that give you free content. You don't need PS Plus to play online. However I would rather pay 60 dollars a year to have a better online experience with first and thrid party than Sony's free experience and have have a mediocre expereince.

In the end that is Son'y fault. They had to play catch up with their entire online sevice for years and still they are far behind when it comes to cross chat and connectivity. There is a CLEAR difference between Call of Duty and Battlefield on Xbox and those same games on PS3. People who play Call of Duty on PS3 get kicked out of games on the regular for no reason. No problems on Xbox though.

HAH! You gave me quite a laugh to be honest. The reason there is a clear difference between Call of Duty on Xbox and PS3 is because Activision is clearly more heavily focused on the 360 version of the game. This has nothing to do with Sony or the PS3, it is Activision's fault as well as the developer. Also in regards to your Battlefield comment, Battlefield games have had dedicated servers for a while now and therefore there is rarely any lag and there is absolutely no difference between Battlefield games on the 360 or PS3 other than the fact the PS3 users get the DLC early. I've played Bad Company 2 for over 50 hours and I have NEVER been dropped out of a game or even experienced any lag whatsoever. This is all thanks to dedicated servers. Boy do I love dedi servers.



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gergroy on 29 January 2013
Ji99saw said:
Dark_Feanor said:
Live Gold will never be free. It´s a model that works.
I don´t know a single friend that unsubscribed Live Gold in the last 3 years.

I´m sick and tired of those pseudo-experts and true-fanboys ranting for everething to be free and blá-blá-blá...

I find it amusing that the people that don't pay for it are the ones complaing about it, if you have your service of choice that's fine but you don't have to shit on everybody who don't seem to care about the one you choose. At the end of the day the market will dictate which will succeed and from my viewpoint that's XBL and if Sony implemented the same service they would fail so they go the desprate route and give games away, nothing wrong with that but remember Sony are eating that cost.

I pay for it and I'm complaining about it...



Lafiel on 29 January 2013
Runa216 said:
I hate Jim Sterling, but kudos to him for not being a raging ass this time around. I agreed with every single thing said in this article, and that's why I refuse to pay for Xbox Live Gold. I did at one point, because I was convinced by my Xbox playing friends that the PSN was glitchy, slow, and didn't work half the time, so if I Wanted to play games with them I needed XBL. Well, I paid for I think 16 months of Live, used it for maybe 4 or 5 months, and the rest went to waste for two reasons: 1 - My first Xbox 360 red ringed on me and I didn't get it replaced, and 2 - the replacement Xbox 360 is always making a grinding/whirring noise, so I'm too damn worried to use it half the time. Once it ran out in June 2010, I just didn't bother getting XBL again.

And seriously, I don't know how people are dumb enough to keep buying XBL. The downloads are a touch faster, and cross game chat can be awesome, but that's really all it offers you. Steam allows all of those features free of charge, and they all work better, too! PSN gives you more deals, and the speed and reliability are on par, even on the free service.

To be honest, I wasn't planning on buying PS+ for the same reasons other people don't buy PS+: I didn't want to pay an online subscription, and the random nature of what games make it to PS+ didn't really mesh well with my more pointed taste in games. Well, I've been proven wrong time and time again, and it's time to accept that PS+ is the only subscription I think I'll ever put money into again. The deals are just too good, the price is right, and the features really do help. Seriously, there's nothing as refreshing as going to bed, and waking up only to see my system has already done the updates for me. I know it's a small feature, but you ahve no idea how much it appeals to me.

I like the Xbox, I love its controller, and the system has some great games, but why in the world would I pay for a service that I can get free of charge elsewhere? Especially considering how many obnoxious little shits pollute XBL. I'll stick to my PS3 and Vita, thanks. (Though I will be getting the Nextbox alongside PS4 and WiiU when funds allow)

But seriously. Fuck Microsoft and their (effective) greed. Sony fucks up too, but the only real thing they do is in relation to the online passes, which doesn't bug me because I buy 90% of my games new anyway, and Online play isn't common for me.

If it's about praising how well PS+ turned out I'm the first in line, but I think to call people dumb who pay for XBL Gold is taking it too far. Personally I've spend money on a PS Vita, which many people will feel was a bad investment, yet I don't, and if the millions of XBL Gold users feel satisfied with the services they receive for their money, I certainly won't judge them for paying for those.



gergroy on 29 January 2013
riderz13371 said:
Lostplanet22 said:
MS is struggeling with Xbox live Gold? Thanks to games like Halo 4 their was a big jump in Gold Accounts. Honestly I think more are dropping out of PS plus. Was happy that friends got an PS plus account so they finally could try games like Red dead redemption /just cause 2 (games that I recommended a lot) and when I asked last time they like the games they just told me they not even tried most of the free games and don't see a point anymore to keep going on with it.


PS Plus 259% increase in subscribers in November 2012

http://www.engadget.com/2012/11/29/playstation-3-vita-black-friday-2012-sales/

Without actual numbers of subscribers though that doesn't mean much.... I'm sure playstation plus is successful, but throwing out a percentage increase doesn't actually say if the subscription is popular or not.  I really hate these empty stats companies throw out.  I wish they would just give the real stats...

Edit:  Also, black friday sales isn't exactly the best example of whether or not people are dropping ps+.  I agree that it is more likely growing, but a more indicative stat would be growth during a non holiday month...



maverick40 on 29 January 2013
MB1025 said:
pezus said:
MB1025 said:
bertlsenix said:
J_Allard said:
It's a great service for customers but lol @ comparing it to XBL. They are two different services that offer two different things.


Yeah its wrong to compare them cause PSN+ is in every way superior and customer friendly.
And of course they offer different thngs...PSN+ is offering a lot of value in terms of free stuff for the customer and better quality for services both share.


No XBL is the entire experiecne from online gaming, apps, and so on. PS+ is a subscription based service that has nothing to do with online gaming and apps.

You have to pay for the same apps as PS players have to, no? PS3's entire online experience is free, so you can see why people say XBLGold compares unfavourably to Plus - which is an additional service, that is still cheaper than a year of Gold.


No you comapre Xbox Live to PSN. Not PS Plus which is a side service that give you free content. You don't need PS Plus to play online. However I would rather pay 60 dollars a year to have a better online experience with first and thrid party than Sony's free experience and have have a mediocre expereince.

In the end that is Son'y fault. They had to play catch up with their entire online sevice for years and still they are far behind when it comes to cross chat and connectivity. There is a CLEAR difference between Call of Duty and Battlefield on Xbox and those same games on PS3. People who play Call of Duty on PS3 get kicked out of games on the regular for no reason. No problems on Xbox though.

 

 

This is complete lies with absolutely zero facts to back it up but it just shows how good Microsofts marketing team is. Your 60 dollars a year doesn't pay for "better" servers in every game. 98% of Xbox games use a peer to peer network just like PSN. Wake up and smell the coffee



Kresnik on 29 January 2013
gergroy said:
riderz13371 said:
Lostplanet22 said:
MS is struggeling with Xbox live Gold? Thanks to games like Halo 4 their was a big jump in Gold Accounts. Honestly I think more are dropping out of PS plus. Was happy that friends got an PS plus account so they finally could try games like Red dead redemption /just cause 2 (games that I recommended a lot) and when I asked last time they like the games they just told me they not even tried most of the free games and don't see a point anymore to keep going on with it.


PS Plus 259% increase in subscribers in November 2012

http://www.engadget.com/2012/11/29/playstation-3-vita-black-friday-2012-sales/

Without actual numbers of subscribers though that doesn't mean much.... I'm sure playstation plus is successful, but throwing out a percentage increase doesn't actually say if the subscription is popular or not.  I really hate these empty stats companies throw out.  I wish they would just give the real stats...


That may be true, but he's just using it to respond to the bit in the post he was quoting that he bolded:

"Honestly I think more are dropping out of PS plus"

An increase in subscribers (whether small in actual number or large) of that percentage doesn't really indicate any people dropping their Plus subscription.

I agree with you that it would be so much nicer to just be given figures for everything though.  I'd really like some numbers for PSN downloads.  Alas.



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