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mrstickball said:


That's the key.

The problem is that they don't. The city is 90% liberal. Said liberals don't understand what makes a city attractive to new businesses. They continue to do things that scare off businesses, which perpetuates all of the problems the city has.

I think the first step is for the state of Michigan to step in and put the city under their control - kick out every government worker/elected official, and put it under a manager with unilateral powers. Allow them to change tax code and what's needed to fix the city. It'll take years or decades, but it can work.

I've noticed that Detroit doesn't try. But it's not just the gov't who we should accuse. Many of the residents are very destructive towards their city.



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mrstickball said:
NintendoPie said:
spurgeonryan said:

 

So basically it is like a mining town. Once the mine goes dry, the town dies.

Well, it seems that way. But I'm sure they could bring back more business if they tried.


That's the key.

The problem is that they don't. The city is 90% liberal. Said liberals don't understand what makes a city attractive to new businesses. They continue to do things that scare off businesses, which perpetuates all of the problems the city has.

I think the first step is for the state of Michigan to step in and put the city under their control - kick out every government worker/elected official, and put it under a manager with unilateral powers. Allow them to change tax code and what's needed to fix the city. It'll take years or decades, but it can work.

That's closer to happening then you probably realize.

"Frustrated by the lack of concrete progress, Michigan Governor Rick Snyder, a Republican, last month appointed a team to scour the city's books. The audit could result in a state takeover of Detroit's finances through the appointment of an emergency financial manager. Such a manager, who would seize control of the city's checkbook, could then propose federal bankruptcy court as the best option.

Snyder, who has called the situation "a crisis in terms of financial affairs," said the team would deliver its report in February.

"Detroit is teetering on the verge of bankruptcy after the City Council has failed to make the necessary cuts to deal with having a smaller population," said Rick Jones, chairman of the Republican majority caucus in the state Senate.

"

http://www.nbcnews.com/business/stuck-reverse-detroit-edges-closer-bankruptcy-1C8149698



Not to mention the sports teams are all garbage. I feel bad for people who have to live there.



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Kasz216 said:
mrstickball said:
NintendoPie said:
spurgeonryan said:

 

So basically it is like a mining town. Once the mine goes dry, the town dies.

Well, it seems that way. But I'm sure they could bring back more business if they tried.


That's the key.

The problem is that they don't. The city is 90% liberal. Said liberals don't understand what makes a city attractive to new businesses. They continue to do things that scare off businesses, which perpetuates all of the problems the city has.

I think the first step is for the state of Michigan to step in and put the city under their control - kick out every government worker/elected official, and put it under a manager with unilateral powers. Allow them to change tax code and what's needed to fix the city. It'll take years or decades, but it can work.

That's closer to happening then you probably realize.

"Frustrated by the lack of concrete progress, Michigan Governor Rick Snyder, a Republican, last month appointed a team to scour the city's books. The audit could result in a state takeover of Detroit's finances through the appointment of an emergency financial manager. Such a manager, who would seize control of the city's checkbook, could then propose federal bankruptcy court as the best option.

Snyder, who has called the situation "a crisis in terms of financial affairs," said the team would deliver its report in February.

"Detroit is teetering on the verge of bankruptcy after the City Council has failed to make the necessary cuts to deal with having a smaller population," said Rick Jones, chairman of the Republican majority caucus in the state Senate.

"

http://www.nbcnews.com/business/stuck-reverse-detroit-edges-closer-bankruptcy-1C8149698

I was fully aware that it was happening - assuming that Detroit lets it happen without blood being shed (and I really don't put it past the rats they call politicians in the city to do that).

@NintendoPie - I understand that. The politicians are a mirror image of the electorate... They voted them in, afterall.



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mrstickball said:
NintendoPie said:
spurgeonryan said:

 

So basically it is like a mining town. Once the mine goes dry, the town dies.

Well, it seems that way. But I'm sure they could bring back more business if they tried.


That's the key.

The problem is that they don't. The city is 90% liberal. Said liberals don't understand what makes a city attractive to new businesses. They continue to do things that scare off businesses, which perpetuates all of the problems the city has.

I think the first step is for the state of Michigan to step in and put the city under their control - kick out every government worker/elected official, and put it under a manager with unilateral powers. Allow them to change tax code and what's needed to fix the city. It'll take years or decades, but it can work.

Whatever happened to belief in local control, hmm?



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Kasz216 said:
mrstickball said:
NintendoPie said:
spurgeonryan said:

 

So basically it is like a mining town. Once the mine goes dry, the town dies.

Well, it seems that way. But I'm sure they could bring back more business if they tried.


That's the key.

The problem is that they don't. The city is 90% liberal. Said liberals don't understand what makes a city attractive to new businesses. They continue to do things that scare off businesses, which perpetuates all of the problems the city has.

I think the first step is for the state of Michigan to step in and put the city under their control - kick out every government worker/elected official, and put it under a manager with unilateral powers. Allow them to change tax code and what's needed to fix the city. It'll take years or decades, but it can work.

That's closer to happening then you probably realize.

"Frustrated by the lack of concrete progress, Michigan Governor Rick Snyder, a Republican, last month appointed a team to scour the city's books. The audit could result in a state takeover of Detroit's finances through the appointment of an emergency financial manager. Such a manager, who would seize control of the city's checkbook, could then propose federal bankruptcy court as the best option.

Snyder, who has called the situation "a crisis in terms of financial affairs," said the team would deliver its report in February.

"Detroit is teetering on the verge of bankruptcy after the City Council has failed to make the necessary cuts to deal with having a smaller population," said Rick Jones, chairman of the Republican majority caucus in the state Senate.

"

http://www.nbcnews.com/business/stuck-reverse-detroit-edges-closer-bankruptcy-1C8149698

Edit: Woops, i went off the rails again. I'll leave it at "i disapprove of anyone who supports anti-union legislation."



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Detroit is a city that demonstrates what happens when you take an amazingly successful economy and let it get run by corrupt politicians, thuggish unions, and an out of control welfare state ...

It is very unlikely that the permanent under-class of uneducated citizens who are now dependent on the welfare state, or the unions who feed off the husk of a once great city, will ever vote for the kind of change that is needed to restore Detroit to its former status; and anyone who wants a better life will move away, leaving Detroit to continue to rot.



Mr Khan said:
mrstickball said:


That's the key.

The problem is that they don't. The city is 90% liberal. Said liberals don't understand what makes a city attractive to new businesses. They continue to do things that scare off businesses, which perpetuates all of the problems the city has.

I think the first step is for the state of Michigan to step in and put the city under their control - kick out every government worker/elected official, and put it under a manager with unilateral powers. Allow them to change tax code and what's needed to fix the city. It'll take years or decades, but it can work.

Whatever happened to belief in local control, hmm?

The question was "What can be done to save Detroit", not "What should be done with Detroit".

There are only 2 ways to resolve the Detroit issue, at this point in time:

1) State takeover of the city, removal of all politicians and a manager installed to run the city to return it to health

2) Bankruptcy of one of the largest cities in America. Cessation of any loans to the city, and instantaneous balancing of all books. This will result in almost no government services such as fire and police.

 

Now, I have absolutely no problem with #2 happening. In fact, I'd love to see it happen to hopefully provide an example of what will happen when the US itself goes bankrupt. But again, I was only providing solutions, not demands.



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mrstickball said:
Mr Khan said:
mrstickball said:


That's the key.

The problem is that they don't. The city is 90% liberal. Said liberals don't understand what makes a city attractive to new businesses. They continue to do things that scare off businesses, which perpetuates all of the problems the city has.

I think the first step is for the state of Michigan to step in and put the city under their control - kick out every government worker/elected official, and put it under a manager with unilateral powers. Allow them to change tax code and what's needed to fix the city. It'll take years or decades, but it can work.

Whatever happened to belief in local control, hmm?

The question was "What can be done to save Detroit", not "What should be done with Detroit".

There are only 2 ways to resolve the Detroit issue, at this point in time:

1) State takeover of the city, removal of all politicians and a manager installed to run the city to return it to health

2) Bankruptcy of one of the largest cities in America. Cessation of any loans to the city, and instantaneous balancing of all books. This will result in almost no government services such as fire and police.

 

Now, I have absolutely no problem with #2 happening. In fact, I'd love to see it happen to hopefully provide an example of what will happen when the US itself goes bankrupt. But again, I was only providing solutions, not demands.

Good article on that front explaining other city bankruptcies.

http://www.npr.org/2012/07/11/156621232/what-happens-when-a-city-declares-bankruptcy



It proves the damaging effect industrialisation can have if a city is based on one industry, which can easily go elsewhere. The focus in Detroit seems to be changing though, farming seems to be coming a big thing there now, due to mass empty plots of land where houses and factories used to be. http://green.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/12/10/vast-land-deal-divides-detroit/



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