EdHieron said:
Dodece said: Excuse me while I point out the Elephant in the room. All the speculation in this thread thus far has revolved around what Sony needs to do to win, or what Sony needs to do to keep from losing. Maybe what we should be discussing is survival strategies. Whether some here want to believe it or not. Sony isn't the company it was a decade ago. They have lost money for five straight years, and that is in spite of selling large chunks of the company off, and actually using credit to cover operating expenses. Sony is neck deep in debt, and that isn't any kind of a exaggeration. Meanwhile Microsoft and Nintendo aren't the companies they were five years ago in this space. While Sony got weaker they went, and got a hell of a lot stronger. Nintendo just came off of a home console that printed them money, and was a smash hit. Microsoft is coming off a very profitable console thanks to their subscription scheme, and more importantly they used all that money to fund expansion. While Sony on the whole has shed studios, exclusive franchises, and reputation. Microsoft has increased its number of studios. Created a number of franchises, and has only seen its reputation improve over the coarse of the previous generation. The whole point of this diatribe is this. Sony is crippled, and its competitors are in peak physical conditioning. We are really talking about long odds. Sony could make a run at the prize, but rest assured that the exertion really could destroy them. There isn't any reason at all that Microsoft shouldn't just outspend Sony out of the gate. Microsoft has proven that it has no qualms about loss leading on its hardware, or about bribing third parties to get preferential treatment. Nintendo has opted for a positional advantage, and that means they will be protecting a lead. Rather then being forced to assail the lead. They get all the advantages that more time brings. To me that means Sony has to be more pragmatic then it has been in the previous generation. Which means that they have to be looking for a happy medium. They need to look for a pace that will let them place without overexerting themselves in the process. Further more the longer they hang in there. The greater the chance for a turn around in their fortunes. What they really need is a strategy that will let them hang in there. So if you are thinking about a 2013 launch. Then you have to expect a compromise on the hardware front. Either Sony has to tone back their capabilities to make a profit from the hardware, or they have to go off on a tangent. Whichever way is the most profitable out of the gate. In this scenario money gives Sony more time. If you are thinking of a 2014 launch then the hardware can be competitive at a profitable price point. I honestly think Sony has some good options here. More then most of you seem to think. Once you think outside of terms of black and white, winning or losing. You can see how Sony can do well for itself without conquering this marketplace. It seems to me that too many of you keep thinking of Sony in terms of Giant on the Playground. When it is fact now the runt of the litter. They can't brute force things, and get their way anymore. They tried that last generation, and got the stuffing beat out of them. Sony isn't the Champion anymore it is the Underdog. The sooner that little tidbit sinks in the better, and as the Underdog. Their path to success doesn't involve them playing the game the other guys are going to play. They have to opt for guile, patience, or surprise. Which is how Nintendo moved up. They knew they couldn't win a fight pound for pound against Sony and Microsoft. So they changed the equation. Anyway does anyone here have the slightest desire of discussing what Sony should do outside of playing only to win. |
Yeah like outselling the competitors by 100,000 to 400,000 consoles each and every week doesn't mean anything when Sony's doing it.
If they're in such dire shape as you and the others like you point out, why don't they just say they're going out of business tomorrow and be done with the whole thing without going through the whole process of releasing a console that's beneath them?
And you use Nintendo as an example; however, Nintendo got the stuffing beat out of them two gens in a row not one like Sony ( and considering the fact that Playstation 3 is the best selling console out of the 3 for the last two years of the gen and beating the other consoles soundly every week now) why wouldn't they be interested in following a similar path next time?
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Sony is a conglomerate, and since I doubt the word means anything to you I will expain it to you. A conglomerate is a company that has divisions that actually do business in a lot of unrelated industries. On the whole Sony's divisions that are doing badly are losing more money then the divisions that are doing well. Basically the console divisions profits are being spent covering losses, and the losses are still greater then the gains. Which is why Sony has been forced to offer up stock option bonds, and has had to delve into its financial reserves to cover the difference. The companies cash reserves are finite, and the company is hardly credit worthy. So Sony is finding it harder to borrow. So no it doesn't mean anything, and it has nothing to do with it being Sony. I would apply this same logic to any other company in this exact same position.
I suppose you would argue that people who have cancer should just roll over and die too. A company in dire straights isn't a company without hope. Maybe the company won't survive this situation, but then again maybe it will. It is entirely possible that Sony could fester five years, and suddenly come out with another break out hit. That turns into a cash generating machine. That said I think you need to grow up, and act like the age your profile says you are. I don't know what kind of world you are living in, but sometimes in this life companies just like people have to do things to get by. If your family is starving, and you have to crawl around in pig shit all day long to feed them. Then that is what you do. You don't give up until there isn't a single chance left. The management, employees, and the stock holders of Sony need this company to carry on. Throwing a shit fit, and walking away from their responsibilities isn't a option. They will keep trying until they find a way or run out of chances, and that is just how it is.
Nintendo lost the console wars, but that isn't the same as getting the stuffing beat out of them. The difference being that Nintendo didn't lose money trying. They sold their hardware at a profit, sold a lot of their own first party software, and had the best selling portable gaming device. Nintendo actually did quite well for itself. It is a object lesson in going with the flow. Nintendo didn't need to dominate the market as a whole to be successful. They just needed to cater to a market of loyal consumers. Which was large enough to sustain the company in the industry. Sony would do well to learn some of these lessons from Nintendo. That is how Nintendo wasn't trounced, and this is how Sony was.
Others have shown you the graphs that show you how much Sony lost. The past generation is the text book definition of a Pyrrhic victory. Those losses probably don't even take into account the seven hundred million dollars in loans that Sony has to pay interest on that it took out to fund production of the PS3, or the overhaul of the online security that had to happen, because of the whole jailbreaking fiasco. That saw Sony getting hacked every other day for about two whole months straight. The answer to your question would seem to be self apparent. Were Sony to eat such losses again the company would likely go bankrupt, but you can relax. Sony wouldn't bankrupt the company to salvage a PS4 doing that poorly. No they would just abandon the product.
Propaganda isn't a substitute for facts. I hope you understand that if you continue on this route. All you are going to get for your effort is pulverized. Think what you want about this community, but we aren't slouches. We know a great deal about what we are talking about, and many of us have been on this site since the start of this past generation. We have a real good grasp of what happened, when it happened, and why it happened. Sony basically created a hostage situation that it couldn't walk away from. They couldn't allow the PS3 to die like it ought to have, because it would have destroyed their chip business, their new media format, their software studios, and their home console line. They were pot committed, and they were going to lose a lot of money no matter which way they went.