People don't post in Kowen's thread anymore because so many always posted that it will be alright and came up with arguments why in the future sony will be doing better and the status will not decrease... I think it is only a few weeks ago that we got threads how sony will for sure not fell lower...And now they did..

Sony is in a very bad state, and it has nothing to do with whether you like their games or not. They have massive debt and shrinking market share in most divisions. They can cut staff, but less resources means poorer products. Even if they hit a few homeruns with new products, cut costs and start turning billion dollar profits, it would take a decade or more to be out of debt. Since as of right now they are still turning losses (in large part due to high interest), it's more likely that their debt will continue to grow until bankrupcy. That's why firms are saying they are an investment with a good chance of loss.

Someone mentioned how Nintendo turned it around... that comment isn't grasping what's going on here. Even when Nintendo had a tiny market share it was turning profits and had no debt. This isn't about the games, it's the financial state of the company.

I'm an investor. Sony would likely be a horrible choice to invest in. Good chance of losing your money. If you want to invest in game stock, take a good look at Nintnendo. Their massive cash reserves make them pretty safe.

and once again there is your arrogance, you come across as belittling any and everyone that gives you a response that is not a yes i agree with you response

"I couldnt give a toss about what people say about me or my threads here, but yet you continue: Your explanation is weak to be honest and you come across as a bit of a victim."

where am i coming across as a Victim. the counter point is the very fact that these credit agencys are under investigation right now in the same month as they are downgrading companies and are under investigation for Market manipulation.

you bring up credit agencyts as part of your post, and put in your points but so did I these credit agencys cannot manipulate the Market?

this is not just because of Sony, other companies and even countries are bing downgraded, the United states credit rating was downgraded.

but yet you do not post about these very same  credit agency's  being under investigation for market manipulation?

I'm simply used to see certain people getting in on threads like this sayin "Sony's doin' fine! Fine I tell ya!"

But it seems like kowen has it in for sony like turk has it in for nintendo :p

Meaningful recovery will be slow, given the company’s loss of technology leadership in key products, high competition, weak economic conditions in developed markets and the strong yen,” Fitch said in today’s ratings statement

Thats 4 major obstacles that I think no CEO can overcome, especially the high yen.

and yet as an example:

 Sony is under restructure right now but yet in such a short point of time we are talking about less than 6 months these credit agencys have cut companies value down to junk in under 6 months even when these companies are trying to fix their problems like cutting 10,000 freaking jobs cut TV production by 60% but has told investors before hand how long its going to take to acomplish such changes. but yet even with these steps taken as a new CEO who just took over has taken a very proactive measure to fix the problems its now no longer fast enough, thus damaging the stock further making further hardships to fix any problems moving forward.

this is exactly why in this very same month that these credit agency's are under investigation for market manipulation! this is just not one company but many companies, and the people in charge of these credit rating agencys are hedge betting and you do not think there is one iotta of any market manipulation going on? if that it couldsnot happen ?, its one thing to say these companies are above board and no manipulation could ever take place, but with anything "People are in charge" and people  have been known to steal, people  have killed other people, people have been known to steal million,and millions of $$$ in the market .

Next gen in gaming based on this can translate to MS having more powerful hardware and simply throwing more cash around and outright outspending Sony into last place again.

I predict Samsung buying Sony, with a news about Samsung planning to enter gaming market, I wouldn't get surprised if they buy Sony and continue Playstation brand.

I knew it... as i said on the other thread when they were one level above trash. When moody's sets their eyes on a target, they dont let it go until its been ravaged.

This is not good at all. Sony will be totally unable to take any losses with price cuts. That Vita price cut might even take longer than expected, and the PS4 will also be in trouble at this pace. They really need to separate the departments or all of them will go under.

So BB- is junk as in how a 6 for a game is worthless piece of crap?