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@nacho
I already put in some of my reasons. I'm not convinced by your summaries on players, and I think that more than being helpful, in this environment, it is very much harmful to label players as town or scum unless you have really solid evidence or "feels".

For example, as I said earlier, I didn't like how you 180'd on trucks when he said "i don't know what to think". That, in my book, is just a very very poorly informed read. Maybe it's correct, but not for the reasons you say it is.
As for myself, I have a natural inclination to lean scum with him early on, but I also try to reserve my thoughts on him because I tend to tunnel on his mistakes.
However, in this game I feel he's been a bit too meta, and I don't like his discussion with zero which led to a vote, a very defensible vote that really anyone could get behind.

You current play would suggest that you are town, based on your history of that one game in which you were town. I said then, and I still say now, that I don't think you respect your own analysis enough. I think you're too eager to qualify things based on your own rubric of what town does and what scum does.

I find your style of play is likely a meta response based on experience; ie, you play this way because it suits both your scum and your town game. It will likely be a while before I can get a read on you because I read players based on emotion, and you display none. However, factually speaking, you are calling two players town based on what I consider weak evidence, whom I actually find suspicious. So there's that to think about, if you will.



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Nachomamma8 said:
I'm changing up the style of quoting so I can address specific points; if you know a better way to format this, please let me know.

tabaha: "Radish is town even though no lynch is a terrible idea." why (he's he town)?
For one, he's almost certainly town if Haxton is scum. Haxton sort of leaped at the chance to vote no lynch with him, and I don't really think that he would be willing to interact that closely with a scumbuddy.

That's not really a great answer is it?

You said "for one", how about for another?

EDITTED FOR CLARITY AND BREVITY



zero129 said:

Wow im super impressed with Nachomamma i think your town, and if you turn out to be mafia then you must be one of the best players i ever seen with them posts from you.

Yoshia seemed to go running very fast.
The was a few posts i didnt like from him once again.
"No mention of me in Nachomamma's posts yet, should I be scared of what's to come?"
Why was he so worried about what nachomamma was going to say?.
Pretty much once Nachomamma posts his list of reads and town+suspect list http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4909407, Yoshia goes running http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4909418

Also very strange Stefl was killed in the day time, is it a daytime vig like radish said or could mafia have some power that would allow them to kill in the day instead of the night?
Well i guess we now have Yoshia and Trucks in the CA group i dont want to hear a single person say mafia wouldnt dig into their own group cos i seen it before first hand to try take suspicion off the group.

So i was looking back and doing some re reading
some of the first people to vote stefl with no reason

Prof wanted to lynch stefl after Trucks made a post asking who should we lynch today http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4906621
no reason giving
here prof votes for stefl http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4906635

At bold, just because you don't understand the concept of sleep doesn't mean the rest of us don't do it. I had to be up for school early in the morning and decided my education was more important than this game >.>



zero129 said:
A Bad Clown said:
zero129 said:
I cant find the post can someone tell me who is the 3rd Captain America sidekick??
We had Stefl and still have Yoshia who was the 3rd??.


Tabaha as Demolition Man

ok so we have 2 very scummy looking people as the last mafia

Tabaha when he was scum pretty much almost didnt talk unlike this game where he has been trying.

Yoshia has been playing the same way he did when he was scum last time we played when he joined hatz lynch train.

i have already pointed out some very good reasons for why Yoshia could be scum

so

Unvote: Trucks

Vote: Yoshia

You of all people should know that FoS doesn't end up with a vote, if it did you would have voted everyone in the game everytime you have played (although you often make a good attempt at that). Also, I joined this so called "lynch train" (which only has one vote as far as I am aware...) after one post calling you suspicious. How is that joining a well-formed lynch train?



theprof00 said:

3. Yoshiya as scum. Don't like his vote on zero.

I have never voted Zero, I just put a FoS on him.

Also, your reasoning behind voting me is flawed, the only reason I bought up safeclaims was because in the three games I have played and the one I have hosted, the mafia has always had safeclaims, I was thus under the impression they were simply something that happened in the majority of games and thought it was right to assume they were in this game.



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prof: I already put in some of my reasons. I'm not convinced by your summaries on players, and I think that more than being helpful, in this environment, it is very much harmful to label players as town or scum unless you have really solid evidence or "feels".
Why do you think providing reads is harmful? What harm has it brought so far?

prof: For example, as I said earlier, I didn't like how you 180'd on trucks when he said "i don't know what to think". That, in my book, is just a very very poorly informed read. Maybe it's correct, but not for the reasons you say it is.
I never 180'd on Trucks, actually. I said that I didn't know what to think of Trucks at first (that's what I meant by a "I don't know what to think" read), then, after he posted the list, called him town for reasons that I've explained a bit more thoroughly in my response to tabaha.

prof: However, in this game I feel he's been a bit too meta, and I don't like his discussion with zero which led to a vote, a very defensible vote that really anyone could get behind.
What do you mean by "a bit too meta"? And why is it a bad thing to make a vote that anyone could get behind?

prof: You current play would suggest that you are town, based on your history of that one game in which you were town. I said then, and I still say now, that I don't think you respect your own analysis enough. I think you're too eager to qualify things based on your own rubric of what town does and what scum does.
My method of scumhunting is different than yours. It doesn't mean that it is worse. Intent is based on looking why someone does what they do. When something furthers the mafia win condition, it means they are likely mafia. When something furthers the town win condition, it means they are likely town. It's not so black and white, of course, but it's a good place to start.

prof: You said "for one", how about for another?
Cut myself off in the middle of my train of thought. The other thing that I really liked from Radish is that he didn't use his no lynch vote as a reason not to scumhunt, which is exactly what Haxton did. Although he hasn't taken a definite position yet, he has questioned, he has provided the reads what he has had so far, and he has searched.



DarkThanatos said:
zero129 said:
DarkThanatos said:
zero129 said:

DarkThanatos said:

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Also, did you check up what Stefl was posting about before he was killed? 

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I think it might be worth doing that if you think you can get something out of Stefl's death. I would do it myself but I'm on phone now and it's a pain in the arse to search or do anything. 

After reading over stefls last few posts i couldnt really find anything other then him telling me that i shouldnt try to meta and a vote for haxtonfale here http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4909069

Danke Zero :D. There we go Truck. Is Haxton a new player? Eitherway FoS Haxton. Weak tell I know yadeyada. This is combined with lurking pretty heavy so it's the only thing I associate with him ATM. 

I'm starting to like this game. I'm not throwing baseless assumptions (because I'm new and cba to read previous 49 sessions), so I'm suspicious. 
I'm not claiming, since if I said I'm Robin I might as well be lying. But I'm not.

Or am I? Hint: No, I'm not

As for lurking part, in all honesty I don't have the time to spend the majority of my day waiting for new posts here.

Nachomamma8 said:
I'm changing up the style of quoting so I can address specific points; if you know a better way to format this, please let me know. 

tabaha: "Radish is town even though no lynch is a terrible idea." why (he's he town)?
For one, he's almost certainly town if Haxton is scum. Haxton sort of leaped at the chance to vote no lynch with him, and I don't really think that he would be willing to interact that closely with a scumbuddy.

I'm new to this game (at least the forum version). And I don't believe in lynching on the first night - seems pointless in the long run, since the chances of screwing up are much higher than after something happens. Hence my vote for "No lynch" - if I knew there was such an option, I would vote it earlier.



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Although I agree with those who suggest that Tabaha is probably mafia, I'm not confident enough to place a vote yet - and honestly, I'm suspicious of those who are.



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Nachomamma8 said:

tabaha: Mostly related to him posting in a way that i think new players would post as scum. (explanation of read on Miz)
Could you expand on this a little bit? How do new players post as scum?

It is mostly an opinion based on a personal point of view
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4906676 getting suspicious on people asking for the reason

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4906698 same

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4906712 HoS him but doesn't ask why

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4906840 I would love to hear his reasons

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4906979 not sure how to interpret this one

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4907128 telling me to focus on someone else. seriously? I can't just neglet people. Remember last round when everybody always negleted me when it was lynch time

ok these were form the first 2 pages @ 100ppp



 

theprof00 said:
Explanation for me mantle?

I get the impression that you are being dishonest with your scum lists.