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the2real4mafol on 31 October 2012

DaRev said:

the2real4mafol said:

DaRev said:

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DaRev said:

That's fine.

But, because they never found him means he didn’t exist? Do you have to be able to locate ever dead person that ever lived, to confirm whether or not they did lived?

Anyways, the reason you can’t find Jesus is because he is risen and not dead – Christianity 101.

You realise that Christians are among the happiest people in the world right?

But that's the whole reason i don't believe in it. He could be anyone! I like to think there is a reason to anything, i like to know why. As for your last point, i don't think religion has anything to do with someone's happiness, it's just a coincidence that christians tend to be happy

no he cannot be anyone, for exaample, go ask the next 100 people you meet to walk on water or bring a dead person back to life. Only Jesus had the power to do that. But i know your response might be that you need to see to believe. Well not really, because people in Jesus' day saw these miracles and didn't believe - they in fact killed him because he did miracles. They also asked for signs and miracles after he had done many miracles, but then Jesus said the only sign you'll get is me dieing and living again - hence no dead body. Furthermore Jesus says that you are more blessed because you haven't seen, but still believe.

Religion has everything to do with happieness, for without basis rules of loving each other which came from God, MAN will destroy himself through hate. Whites killing blacks and the other way around and etc, etc. Men have now come up wit things like basic human right rights, but God and Jesus said many years ago to respect and love one another.

Ok i'll leave the jesus part for now. But, if religion has anything to do with kindness and happiness, then why did countries use god as an excuse for war then? That goes against any religion, because they think killing is wrong. If people fight, then surely they are not properly religious, since fighting goes against their beliefs. And finally, it wouldn't suprise me if ideas like pacifism originated from religion.

I agree with you. Jesus said Murder is wrong, so I believe wars are as well. See what Jesus says in Matthew 5 of the Bible (some of which i'm sure you've already heard but not used in the right context):

Murder

²¹“You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, ‘You shall not murder,^[a] and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment.’ ²²But I tell you that anyone who is angry with a brother or sister^[b]^[c] will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to a brother or sister, ‘Raca,’^[d] is answerable to the court. And anyone who says, ‘You fool!’ will be in danger of the fire of hell.

²³“Therefore, if you are offering your gift at the altar and there remember that your brother or sister has something against you, ²⁴leave your gift there in front of the altar. First go and be reconciled to them; then come and offer your gift.

²⁵“Settle matters quickly with your adversary who is taking you to court. Do it while you are still together on the way, or your adversary may hand you over to the judge, and the judge may hand you over to the officer, and you may be thrown into prison. ²⁶Truly I tell you, you will not get out until you have paid the last penny.

Eye for Eye

³⁸“You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’^[h] ³⁹But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. ⁴⁰And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well. ⁴¹If anyone forces you to go one mile, go with them two miles. ⁴²Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.

Love for Enemies

⁴³“You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor^[i] and hate your enemy.’ ⁴⁴But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, ⁴⁵that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. ⁴⁶If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? ⁴⁷And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? ⁴⁸Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

It's surprising that those quotes are still relevant. like "if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn them to the other one", that sounds like a sit-in that occurs in some protests as both just frustrate the enemy and bore them as they don't want to keep on attacking lol

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