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michael_stutzer on 29 October 2012
greenmedic88 said:
I really don't think the price is that much of an issue. As in I don't think it's terribly overpriced.

I'm pretty sure MS isn't trying to compete with cheap tablets; they're trying to compete with the high end ones and are priced appropriately.

Sure, everyone wants to buy more product for less, but in this instance, I think the consumer is pretty much getting exactly what they're paying for.

The only thing that seems overpriced is the $129 keypad cover.


The only thing Surface competes with the high end tablets is the price really.



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disolitude on 29 October 2012
Squilliam said:
I just installed Windows 8 on this PC and it feels like the whole thing is turbocharged. Everything I do is slick and it feels like one click in Windows 8 is worth two in Windows 7. On the desktop the difference between this and the release candidate is staggering! It feels like they've released a service pack because 70% of my previous complaints with the UI and feel of the system as well as the app support have been sorted out.


Yeah, I've noticed this too. I put it on my HTPC which isn't really crysis worthy and everything is flying. The user experience while on the couch with a Lenovo wireless keyboard is quite stellar with Windows 8. 



disolitude on 29 October 2012
michael_stutzer said:
greenmedic88 said:
I really don't think the price is that much of an issue. As in I don't think it's terribly overpriced.

I'm pretty sure MS isn't trying to compete with cheap tablets; they're trying to compete with the high end ones and are priced appropriately.

Sure, everyone wants to buy more product for less, but in this instance, I think the consumer is pretty much getting exactly what they're paying for.

The only thing that seems overpriced is the $129 keypad cover.


The only thing Surface competes with the high end tablets is the price really.

I disagree. It competes with high end tablets on user experience, which is pretty much all that matters. If they had a 1080p screen on this device, people would have absolutely nothing to complain about.

As it stands, its a high end tablet user experience with some very unique features but with some minor compromises as well.



disolitude on 29 October 2012
Slimebeast said:

lol

When even the few hardcore Microsoft fans here already are openly admitting they are canceling their plans of buying the Surface it's very clear that the writing is on the wall.


Seeing the way things are going for the surface (sold out), and the buzz i'm seeing on the tech sites and blogs...I think your (and my) doom and gloom was premature.

Even if we discount sales, Surface already is a success because it's put Windows 8 on front and center of everything. 



sales2099 on 29 October 2012
Slimebeast said:
disolitude said:
Argh_College said:
Slimebeast said:

Of course they screwed up. Did anyone seriously except MS had any chance to break into this highly competitive market where Apple is GOD?

Huge failure as expected just like Windows Phone 8. MS has no future in tablets nor phones.

The only successful business they'll ever have is operating systems.

Haters, Haters everywhere!

Many will eat nasty things by this years ends :D

it will feel good :)


That's Slmebeast for ya though...you've never seen his posts before?

He's a very - "I hate sunshine. I hate flowers. " kind of guy :)

lol

When even the few hardcore Microsoft fans here already are openly admitting they are canceling their plans of buying the Surface it's very clear that the writing is on the wall.

Just as credible when gamers claim they are gonna boycott the next Marvel Vs Capcom, or FF13 when it went multiplatform lol

Gamers are fickle and impulsive and write what they are thinking, which is quite different from actually doing something.



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Squilliam on 29 October 2012

Yeah it flies on my quad core phenom 2 htpc. I enjoyed it so much on my desktop I went straight to my htpc and installed it there az well. Overall the desktop experience is great and metro is pretty slick as well. I don't see why all the tech sites are moaning about it its almost like hubris because their main problems are that it's new and puts them on a level playing field with regular people.



Tease.

disolitude on 29 October 2012
Squilliam said:
Yeah it flies on my quad core phenom 2 htpc. I enjoyed it so much on my desktop I went straight to my htpc and installed it there az well. Overall the desktop experience is great and metro is pretty slick as well. I don't see why all the tech sites are moaning about it its almost like hubris because their main problems are that it's new and puts them on a level playing field with regular people.


I think they've stopped bitching for the most part. While the betas and previews were out, there was a lot of bitching though, especially from the power users.

One thing I discovered yesterday which probably contributed to power users calming down... If you mouse in to the bottom left corner so that the metro/desktop pops up and right click, you get most of the power user options which were scattered all over the place in Windows 7. At this point Windows 8 is faster to navigate than Win 7 in pretty much every way.



saicho on 29 October 2012
disolitude said:
Squilliam said:
Yeah it flies on my quad core phenom 2 htpc. I enjoyed it so much on my desktop I went straight to my htpc and installed it there az well. Overall the desktop experience is great and metro is pretty slick as well. I don't see why all the tech sites are moaning about it its almost like hubris because their main problems are that it's new and puts them on a level playing field with regular people.


I think they've stopped bitching for the most part. While the betas and previews were out, there was a lot of bitching though, especially from the power users.

One thing I discovered yesterday which probably contributed to power users calming down... If you mouse in to the bottom left corner so that the metro/desktop pops up and right click, you get most of the power user options which were scattered all over the place in Windows 7. At this point Windows 8 is faster to navigate than Win 7 in pretty much every way.

whoa this ia so neat! I was so clumsy for me since I have to go through the Charms menu all the time...



MikeB predicts that the PS3 will sell about 140 million units by the end of 2016 and triple the amount of 360s in the long run.

michael_stutzer on 29 October 2012
disolitude said:
michael_stutzer said:
greenmedic88 said:
I really don't think the price is that much of an issue. As in I don't think it's terribly overpriced.

I'm pretty sure MS isn't trying to compete with cheap tablets; they're trying to compete with the high end ones and are priced appropriately.

Sure, everyone wants to buy more product for less, but in this instance, I think the consumer is pretty much getting exactly what they're paying for.

The only thing that seems overpriced is the $129 keypad cover.


The only thing Surface competes with the high end tablets is the price really.

I disagree. It competes with high end tablets on user experience, which is pretty much all that matters. If they had a 1080p screen on this device, people would have absolutely nothing to complain about.

As it stands, its a high end tablet user experience with some very unique features but with some minor compromises as well.

But it is seriously underpowered, which is evident by the performance of the applications. Yes the UI is fast, but it is not a big achievement really at this point. The screen isn't all that great (resolutionwise), it is underpowered, the app selection is definitely not one of the strengths. The problem is definitely not the OS though, with better hardware pretty much all problems will be gone. Everyone should wait Surface 2 or other tablets in my opinion.



disolitude on 29 October 2012
michael_stutzer said:
disolitude said:
michael_stutzer said:
greenmedic88 said:
I really don't think the price is that much of an issue. As in I don't think it's terribly overpriced.

I'm pretty sure MS isn't trying to compete with cheap tablets; they're trying to compete with the high end ones and are priced appropriately.

Sure, everyone wants to buy more product for less, but in this instance, I think the consumer is pretty much getting exactly what they're paying for.

The only thing that seems overpriced is the $129 keypad cover.


The only thing Surface competes with the high end tablets is the price really.

I disagree. It competes with high end tablets on user experience, which is pretty much all that matters. If they had a 1080p screen on this device, people would have absolutely nothing to complain about.

As it stands, its a high end tablet user experience with some very unique features but with some minor compromises as well.

But it is seriously underpowered, which is evident by the performance of the applications. Yes the UI is fast, but it is not a big achievement really at this point. The screen isn't all that great (resolutionwise), it is underpowered, the app selection is definitely not one of the strengths. The problem is definitely not the OS though, with better hardware pretty much all problems will be gone. Everyone should wait Surface 2 or other tablets in my opinion.


Perhaps...I haven't noticed any slowdown from the 15 minutes I spent with it, but there have been some complaints so it may be justified.

I think that we are underestimating the value of proper MS office on a tablet form factor. It's te only tablet offering this right now and I think this is it's main appeal. It's certanly selling well if we are to believe Microsoft being sold out so the lack of specs isn't something it appears to be hurting it...