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Persistantthug on 04 September 2012
HappySqurriel said:
Persistantthug said:
HappySqurriel said:
Persistantthug said:

There's alot of reasons that the VITA is failing.....crap marketing is also among them.  And guess what?  Launching with less than 1 year of maketing and hype has contributed.  That cannot be denied, HappySqurriel.

But regardless of that, I say again, the VITA is not a home console, so really, the whole  of VITA is not applicable here.

 

But even if you wanted to try and barge the VITA into this, a home console discussion, your point and sentiment still fails, because the VITA is a current failure.  That's the bottom line, I'm afraid.  Sorry.

Since you refuse to see the point ...

The Wii was (truly) first shown of at TGS 2005 in September and released 14 months later. A short timeframe between showing off a system and releasing it does not negatively impact sales.

In modern times if you really needed a lot of time to get information out about your product for it to be successful Apple would be one of the least successful technology companies in the world. While game developers need time to develop games, consumers have demonstrated that they don't need a long period of time to be marketed to.

"Two years later, engineers and designers were brought together to develop the concept further. By 2005, the controller interface had taken form, but a public showing at that year's Electronic Entertainment Expo (E3) was withdrawn. Miyamoto stated that, "[W]e had some troubleshooting to do. So we decided not to reveal the controller and instead we displayed just the console."[14]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wii

 

 

As indicated,

We knew about the Wii well before any launch, and before TGS 2005.  That's a Year and a half lead time, bro.  And guess what?  The Wii is successful (bottom line again)

 

This is the second time that your point(s) have been blown up.

If this were a debate, you'd officially be losing  right now, HappySqurriel.

The display of the console was effectively showing off the case ...

The first meaningful demonstration of the Wii was the concept video at TGS, and the Wii would have sold no worse had they skipped showing off the case at E3, and it would have sold no better had they shown off the TGS concept video at E3.

In a day and age where you can get tens of millions of people watching your youtube video in a month what benefit is there to announcing something 24 months before releasing it? If it is actually interesting people will get the information about it alost imediately, if it isn't interesting no matter how long you announce it prior to being released it won't suddenly become interesting.

Take the iPad as an example, it was announced January 27th 2010 and released April 3, 2010; if Apple can launch the iPad to massive line-ups in 66 days why can't Sony release a successful console in roughly a year?


You're missing the point, HappySqurriel...

 

The point is, the Wii  and the Wii U were anounced with 1 1/2 year lead times.....minimum.

Those are patterns.  That constitutes evidence.

What your sentiment revolves around and is constituting,  is Hopes & Dreams.

 

 PATTERNS & EVIDENCE > hopes & dreams



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HappySqurriel on 04 September 2012
Persistantthug said:


You're missing the point, HappySqurriel...

 

The point is, the Wii  and the Wii U were anounced with 1 1/2 year lead times.....minimum.

Those are patterns.  That constitutes evidence.

What your sentiment revolves around and is constituting,  is Hopes & Dreams.

 

 PATTERNS & EVIDENCE > hopes & dreams

And yet you completely ignore Sony's most recent system release which was managed in less than a year ... you choose to ignore the recent trend of large electronics manufacturers (including Sony) to compress the time from announcement to release of the product.

This isn't to say that Sony has to announce it and release it within a 12 month period, but we live in a world where the products Apple announces nest week will (likely) be for sale before black friday and it is foolish to think that Sony needs more than 12 months to bring a successful console to market. The 3DS did not have much longer between announcement and release than the PS-Vita did but it is a successful system, the lack of an additional 12 months didn't hurt the 3DS.

Ultimately, there are reasons why Sony (and Microsoft) would not want to announce their system today if it was releasing in 2013. While the market for a $100 console and a new $400 console are somewhat distinct, there are very few people who are going to buy into a $300 console today if it will simply be replaced by a $300 to $400 console a year from now which is better in every measureable way. The PS3 would see massive sales reductions this holiday season, and there is no way Sony can afford that.

In other words, there is little to no benefit of a long announcement for the PS4, but there is a lot Sony could lose ...



Persistantthug on 04 September 2012
HappySqurriel said:
Persistantthug said:


You're missing the point, HappySqurriel...

 

The point is, the Wii  and the Wii U were anounced with 1 1/2 year lead times.....minimum.

Those are patterns.  That constitutes evidence.

What your sentiment revolves around and is constituting,  is Hopes & Dreams.

 

 PATTERNS & EVIDENCE > hopes & dreams

And yet you completely ignore Sony's most recent system release which was managed in less than a year ... you choose to ignore the recent trend of large electronics manufacturers (including Sony) to compress the time from announcement to release of the product.

This isn't to say that Sony has to announce it and release it within a 12 month period, but we live in a world where the products Apple announces nest week will (likely) be for sale before black friday and it is foolish to think that Sony needs more than 12 months to bring a successful console to market. The 3DS did not have much longer between announcement and release than the PS-Vita did but it is a successful system, the lack of an additional 12 months didn't hurt the 3DS.

Ultimately, there are reasons why Sony (and Microsoft) would not want to announce their system today if it was releasing in 2013. While the market for a $100 console and a new $400 console are somewhat distinct, there are very few people who are going to buy into a $300 console today if it will simply be replaced by a $300 to $400 console a year from now which is better in every measureable way. The PS3 would see massive sales reductions this holiday season, and there is no way Sony can afford that.

In other words, there is little to no benefit of a long announcement for the PS4, but there is a lot Sony could lose ...

I discount the VITA because it's not a home console.

 

And then on top of that,

The VITA is a current failure.

 

I'm not being unreasonable here, HappySqurriel.



spaceguy on 04 September 2012
HappySqurriel said:
Persistantthug said:


You're missing the point, HappySqurriel...

 

The point is, the Wii  and the Wii U were anounced with 1 1/2 year lead times.....minimum.

Those are patterns.  That constitutes evidence.

What your sentiment revolves around and is constituting,  is Hopes & Dreams.

 

 PATTERNS & EVIDENCE > hopes & dreams

And yet you completely ignore Sony's most recent system release which was managed in less than a year ... you choose to ignore the recent trend of large electronics manufacturers (including Sony) to compress the time from announcement to release of the product.

This isn't to say that Sony has to announce it and release it within a 12 month period, but we live in a world where the products Apple announces nest week will (likely) be for sale before black friday and it is foolish to think that Sony needs more than 12 months to bring a successful console to market. The 3DS did not have much longer between announcement and release than the PS-Vita did but it is a successful system, the lack of an additional 12 months didn't hurt the 3DS.

Ultimately, there are reasons why Sony (and Microsoft) would not want to announce their system today if it was releasing in 2013. While the market for a $100 console and a new $400 console are somewhat distinct, there are very few people who are going to buy into a $300 console today if it will simply be replaced by a $300 to $400 console a year from now which is better in every measureable way. The PS3 would see massive sales reductions this holiday season, and there is no way Sony can afford that.

In other words, there is little to no benefit of a long announcement for the PS4, but there is a lot Sony could lose ...



This is very true. If you announce your product way before you will stand the chance of having a bad holiday season and not only that, you could have people lose interests because it is taking so long to release. I have done this with something and that something was  chevy camaro. They took so long to release the damn car that I lost interest in it all together. 

See I think persistantthug doesn't realize the device he is using has opened info like never before. Facebook is hugh and advertising on that will spread word in a month. Social media has grown massive since 2005 or even 2006. So the point that he is using info from basically prehistoric social media days is a joke into it self.

He is also not thinking about the sales difference in the market either. Last gen it was worth the loss in sales to get the next gen going because unless you where ps2, you didn't have much sales to begin with. This gen has seen some massive sales on all consoles and not only that but sony just started making a profit, so why through away profits you could have unless your Nintendo and you have something to gain and have made a ton already. They stand to gain 3rd party support.



Persistantthug on 04 September 2012
Dodece said:
@persistanthug

I will keep it real simple for you. This time I will go chronological rather then prioritizing the response.

Microsoft shutting down under performing studios is proof of nothing. If the games those studios make suck then it stands to reason that there is no reason to maintain the studios. Just like it doesn't make sense to keep churning out installments of series that even though profitable aren't necessarily helping the platform, or furthering long term goals. Closing a studio doesn't necessarily mean that Microsoft fires everyone. Usually it means Microsoft is just moving the talent around.

Your seriously bemoaning Rare. The studio had a long string of failures in core gaming, and wasn't particularly all that appreciated by the rank and file of console owners. Microsoft didn't have anything to lose, by having them work far afield, and they would be fucking stupid to have them come back now. Since they found success out where they put them. I doubt the employees at Rare would protest too much for that matter. This isn't a great big loss, and nobody feels the least bit deprived.

On a side note it is funny that you mentioned closed studios, but are mum about all the studios that Microsoft has opened, or acquired in the past couple years. Microsoft now has twenty game development studios. They only have five studios that aren't specifically focused on games. Yeah kind of puts your media box argument to rest, but it isn't like you should have made it in the first place. Everyone knows that the patches for Live that allow it to connect to already existing services outside of Live are puny when compared to the size of actual games.

You shouldn't confuse public presentations with where the money is actually being spent. Oh my god they talked up their Kinect device to sell casual players on the machine. How dare they not spend time on courting the large contingent of hardcore players that hadn't already bought into the machine. On wait silly me. They don't fucking exist. So what if they aren't lavishing the attention. They are still pumping out the games. New and bad studios taking up the task of developing for the device isn't really sweat off of my balls.

With all your talk you would think that Microsoft had no plans to release core games next generation. Oh wait I am looking at the list of studios. It looks like Microsoft will have more core studios next generation then it ever had this generation. How could that be with their new casual focus. Here is an idea maybe Microsoft just maybe is actually more competent then Sony or Nintendo. Maybe they can I don't know balance both audiences you know without failing one at the expense of the other. I hear Nintendo is going to try something similar.

Seriously Nintendo is taken seriously, and they have made it clear that what they did was really fucking dumb in the long run. Casuals might buy machines, but they are lousy when it comes to buying games. Something tells me that Microsoft has more then a five minute attention span. They aren't going to make more games then the casual market can support, or produce so few games for the core that demand will not be met.

That sign of yours points in one direction. Specifically to the fact that Microsoft has a surprising capacity for being self indulgent. Microsoft has no problem whatsoever with fleecing fools. It is the same reason they sell me a two month gold plan for two dollars. It is an excuse for them to turn my auto renewal back on, and sign me up for a monthly plan that costs me ten dollars a month. Unless I remember to turn that auto renewal back off. They are banking on me forgetting to do it just once so they can take my ass to the cleaners. Your evidence is exactly what now.

As for guaranteed I certainly never said that, but I think the odds are somewhat better then a fifty fifty shot. There is a problem that Microsoft has that Sony doesn't have. Namely the fact that the 360 is further along in its lifespan which is a finite thing. Eventually the 360 must succumb to sales degradation, and once that happens Microsoft is going to start losing brand momentum. Microsoft has to get there sooner rather then later. Nintendo with its new hardware isn't going to help, and neither is market saturation.

There is a rule in business. It costs much less to keep a customer then it is to get a new customer. It costs more money to sell someone on a product then it costs to keep a current customer buying the product. Microsoft cannot want sales to stall, and to end up having to spend millions, or even billions rebuilding the brand loyalty that they have right now.

As for your last statement. I hate to tell you this, but Sony has been known to lie. Not just lie, but do so blatantly. This is the company that had top members of management denying a price cut was going to happen for the PS3 all of a day before it was announced publicly at E3. Hell we had circulars advertising the price for god sakes. That didn't phase them at all. So forgive me if they have no credibility as far as I am concerned.


First Dodece,

I want to thank you for responding to me in a way that I could at least understand what you are saying.  And believe me, I'm not one of those A-holes that goes around trying to go all "English Professor" on people and trying to correct peoples grammar and punctuation.  It was just that the first response from you was so bad that it was extremely difficult to keep up with it.  So I do thank you for that, even though you were long winded this time instead.  lol

But, if you don't mind, I'm gonna skip the Microsoft stuff in my response here, because I don't want this to become a Microsoft Games or an XBOX 360 discussion.

 

However, I'm a little bit confused with which E3 price cut you are referring to, because the PS3 has had 3 price cuts, and there's a rumored 4th one still circulating now.  Perhaps you can give a particular year to clear that up.  thanks.



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Persistantthug on 04 September 2012
spaceguy said:
HappySqurriel said:
Persistantthug said:


You're missing the point, HappySqurriel...

 

The point is, the Wii  and the Wii U were anounced with 1 1/2 year lead times.....minimum.

Those are patterns.  That constitutes evidence.

What your sentiment revolves around and is constituting,  is Hopes & Dreams.

 

 PATTERNS & EVIDENCE > hopes & dreams

And yet you completely ignore Sony's most recent system release which was managed in less than a year ... you choose to ignore the recent trend of large electronics manufacturers (including Sony) to compress the time from announcement to release of the product.

This isn't to say that Sony has to announce it and release it within a 12 month period, but we live in a world where the products Apple announces nest week will (likely) be for sale before black friday and it is foolish to think that Sony needs more than 12 months to bring a successful console to market. The 3DS did not have much longer between announcement and release than the PS-Vita did but it is a successful system, the lack of an additional 12 months didn't hurt the 3DS.

Ultimately, there are reasons why Sony (and Microsoft) would not want to announce their system today if it was releasing in 2013. While the market for a $100 console and a new $400 console are somewhat distinct, there are very few people who are going to buy into a $300 console today if it will simply be replaced by a $300 to $400 console a year from now which is better in every measureable way. The PS3 would see massive sales reductions this holiday season, and there is no way Sony can afford that.

In other words, there is little to no benefit of a long announcement for the PS4, but there is a lot Sony could lose ...



This is very true. If you announce your product way before you will stand the chance of having a bad holiday season and not only that, you could have people lose interests because it is taking so long to release. I have done this with something and that something was  chevy camaro. They took so long to release the damn car that I lost interest in it all together. 

See I think persistantthug doesn't realize the device he is using has opened info like never before. Facebook is hugh and advertising on that will spread word in a month. Social media has grown massive since 2005 or even 2006. So the point that he is using info from basically prehistoric social media days is a joke into it self.

He is also not thinking about the sales difference in the market either. Last gen it was worth the loss in sales to get the next gen going because unless you where ps2, you didn't have much sales to begin with. This gen has seen some massive sales on all consoles and not only that but sony just started making a profit, so why through away profits you could have unless your Nintendo and you have something to gain and have made a ton already. They stand to gain 3rd party support.

 

You and a few other's keep saying this.....that "hey, times are different....get with the new times man....console information output isn't the same anymore".

Yeah I keep hearing that sentiment, yet, here we are with a WII U on the horizon, and it in fact had a 1 1/2 year of lead time.

No personal offense to anyone, but it sounds like some of you are trying to shovel up some fresh bullshit in order to hold on to your Hopes & Dreams.

I'm a reasonable guy.....but all I ask is that you give me something reasonable.  And so far, a PS4 2013 holiday release sounds pretty unreasonable right now.

That's truth.



spaceguy on 04 September 2012
Persistantthug said:
spaceguy said:
HappySqurriel said:
Persistantthug said:


You're missing the point, HappySqurriel...

 

The point is, the Wii  and the Wii U were anounced with 1 1/2 year lead times.....minimum.

Those are patterns.  That constitutes evidence.

What your sentiment revolves around and is constituting,  is Hopes & Dreams.

 

 PATTERNS & EVIDENCE > hopes & dreams

And yet you completely ignore Sony's most recent system release which was managed in less than a year ... you choose to ignore the recent trend of large electronics manufacturers (including Sony) to compress the time from announcement to release of the product.

This isn't to say that Sony has to announce it and release it within a 12 month period, but we live in a world where the products Apple announces nest week will (likely) be for sale before black friday and it is foolish to think that Sony needs more than 12 months to bring a successful console to market. The 3DS did not have much longer between announcement and release than the PS-Vita did but it is a successful system, the lack of an additional 12 months didn't hurt the 3DS.

Ultimately, there are reasons why Sony (and Microsoft) would not want to announce their system today if it was releasing in 2013. While the market for a $100 console and a new $400 console are somewhat distinct, there are very few people who are going to buy into a $300 console today if it will simply be replaced by a $300 to $400 console a year from now which is better in every measureable way. The PS3 would see massive sales reductions this holiday season, and there is no way Sony can afford that.

In other words, there is little to no benefit of a long announcement for the PS4, but there is a lot Sony could lose ...



This is very true. If you announce your product way before you will stand the chance of having a bad holiday season and not only that, you could have people lose interests because it is taking so long to release. I have done this with something and that something was  chevy camaro. They took so long to release the damn car that I lost interest in it all together. 

See I think persistantthug doesn't realize the device he is using has opened info like never before. Facebook is hugh and advertising on that will spread word in a month. Social media has grown massive since 2005 or even 2006. So the point that he is using info from basically prehistoric social media days is a joke into it self.

He is also not thinking about the sales difference in the market either. Last gen it was worth the loss in sales to get the next gen going because unless you where ps2, you didn't have much sales to begin with. This gen has seen some massive sales on all consoles and not only that but sony just started making a profit, so why through away profits you could have unless your Nintendo and you have something to gain and have made a ton already. They stand to gain 3rd party support.

 

You and a few other's keep saying this.....that "hey, times are different....get with the new times man....console information output isn't the same anymore".

Yeah I keep hearing that sentiment, yet, here we are with a WII U on the horizon, and it in fact had a 1 1/2 year of lead time.

No personal offense to anyone, but it sounds like some of you are trying to shovel up some fresh bullshit in order to hold on to your Hopes & Dreams.

I'm a reasonable guy.....but all I ask is that you give me something reasonable.  And so far, a PS4 2013 holiday release sounds pretty unreasonable right now.

That's truth.



I answered why WiiU would do it. Simple. They have lost all 3rd party support . Nintendo also understands that they are not going to see much more in sales. They have made a lot of profit.  So with this they are able to take the lose and try to push for 3rd party support While hyping that as there new motto. They need the extra time to promote and change there image. "Nintendo, now with 3rd party support!" So the year and a half is a image changer. Nintendo standed to lose the most off next gen. Wii got the casuals but you can't get by without 3rd party for long. MS knew this as well, They went all out for 3rd party support on the 360 and have achieved it. I think 360 has gained the most out of anyone. They gained a lot in this gen and looking great going into the next.

However 360/ps3 are still selling and looking to have a pretty good holiday season. Maybe not as much as last year but still will be profitable, Not only for MS/Sony but also for 3rd party  support, people tend to hold off if they know there is a system coming in the next year.  They don't need to change there image. I'm sure you know what you are getting.

I think you have to take social change's and the way information move's today into consideration  as how it did in the past. Apple and many of these electronic kings are all releasing there products with  shorter advertising periods. It shows where technology is headed and what the best way forward is. If you don't need to advertise for that extra time and yet see the same back in returns, can start sounding like a very bad business decision.

You know sony and MS are looking to what the market is responding to. Why would they be put into a corner with nintendo when they are not in the same situation?

Thats the Truth!



HappySqurriel on 04 September 2012
Persistantthug said:

You and a few other's keep saying this.....that "hey, times are different....get with the new times man....console information output isn't the same anymore".

Yeah I keep hearing that sentiment, yet, here we are with a WII U on the horizon, and it in fact had a 1 1/2 year of lead time.

No personal offense to anyone, but it sounds like some of you are trying to shovel up some fresh bullshit in order to hold on to your Hopes & Dreams.

I'm a reasonable guy.....but all I ask is that you give me something reasonable.  And so far, a PS4 2013 holiday release sounds pretty unreasonable right now.

That's truth.

I don't think anyone is saying Sony has to release their console in any particular way except for you, which makes you the only unreasonable person in this conversation ...

With the PS3 Sony began announcing the hardware not that long after the launch of the PS2, and steadily released 100% BS about the capabilities of the Cell processor years before the PS3 was first demoed; I don't think you're arguing that Sony would (has time to) duplicate this strategy. With the XBox 360 Microsoft announced the XBox 360 officially in May of 2005 and released it 6 months later in November of 2005; and your assumption is that consoles can't be successful when launched this way.

At its core the reason why companies unveil a product when they do and release it has a lot to do with their strategy for the market segment. Sony telegraphing a far off release for the PS3 was good for the (underpowered) PS2 because it prevented rumours of Sony being forced to cut the generation short to compete against more powerful systems; and (on a similar note) Nintendo could have prevented Pachter's FUD about the Wii HD by using a similar strategy, and started talking about the hardware that would be part of their next generation system in 2008 (and making it clear that this wouldn't be ready until 2012 or later). Microsoft's 6 month window was (probably) driven by their feud with nVidia which (essentially) stopped production of the XBox.

I personally believe that both Microsoft and Sony are in a similar position to where Nintendo was with the DS and Sony was with the PSP prior to announcing their next generation handhelds. They both have platforms that are selling well at fair prices that have a solid profit margin and they don't want to negatively impact that by announcing their system's replacement.



Persistantthug on 04 September 2012
spaceguy said:
Persistantthug said:
spaceguy said:
HappySqurriel said:
Persistantthug said:


You're missing the point, HappySqurriel...

 

The point is, the Wii  and the Wii U were anounced with 1 1/2 year lead times.....minimum.

Those are patterns.  That constitutes evidence.

What your sentiment revolves around and is constituting,  is Hopes & Dreams.

 

 PATTERNS & EVIDENCE > hopes & dreams

And yet you completely ignore Sony's most recent system release which was managed in less than a year ... you choose to ignore the recent trend of large electronics manufacturers (including Sony) to compress the time from announcement to release of the product.

This isn't to say that Sony has to announce it and release it within a 12 month period, but we live in a world where the products Apple announces nest week will (likely) be for sale before black friday and it is foolish to think that Sony needs more than 12 months to bring a successful console to market. The 3DS did not have much longer between announcement and release than the PS-Vita did but it is a successful system, the lack of an additional 12 months didn't hurt the 3DS.

Ultimately, there are reasons why Sony (and Microsoft) would not want to announce their system today if it was releasing in 2013. While the market for a $100 console and a new $400 console are somewhat distinct, there are very few people who are going to buy into a $300 console today if it will simply be replaced by a $300 to $400 console a year from now which is better in every measureable way. The PS3 would see massive sales reductions this holiday season, and there is no way Sony can afford that.

In other words, there is little to no benefit of a long announcement for the PS4, but there is a lot Sony could lose ...



This is very true. If you announce your product way before you will stand the chance of having a bad holiday season and not only that, you could have people lose interests because it is taking so long to release. I have done this with something and that something was  chevy camaro. They took so long to release the damn car that I lost interest in it all together. 

See I think persistantthug doesn't realize the device he is using has opened info like never before. Facebook is hugh and advertising on that will spread word in a month. Social media has grown massive since 2005 or even 2006. So the point that he is using info from basically prehistoric social media days is a joke into it self.

He is also not thinking about the sales difference in the market either. Last gen it was worth the loss in sales to get the next gen going because unless you where ps2, you didn't have much sales to begin with. This gen has seen some massive sales on all consoles and not only that but sony just started making a profit, so why through away profits you could have unless your Nintendo and you have something to gain and have made a ton already. They stand to gain 3rd party support.

 

You and a few other's keep saying this.....that "hey, times are different....get with the new times man....console information output isn't the same anymore".

Yeah I keep hearing that sentiment, yet, here we are with a WII U on the horizon, and it in fact had a 1 1/2 year of lead time.

No personal offense to anyone, but it sounds like some of you are trying to shovel up some fresh bullshit in order to hold on to your Hopes & Dreams.

I'm a reasonable guy.....but all I ask is that you give me something reasonable.  And so far, a PS4 2013 holiday release sounds pretty unreasonable right now.

That's truth.



I answered why WiiU would do it. Simple. They have lost all 3rd party support . Nintendo also understands that they are not going to see much more in sales. They have made a lot of profit.  So with this they are able to take the lose and try to push for 3rd party support While hyping that as there new motto. They need the extra time to promote and change there image. "Nintendo, now with 3rd party support!" So the year and a half is a image changer. Nintendo standed to lose the most off next gen. Wii got the casuals but you can't get by without 3rd party for long. MS knew this as well, They went all out for 3rd party support on the 360 and have achieved it. I think 360 has gained the most out of anyone. They gained a lot in this gen and looking great going into the next.

However 360/ps3 are still selling and looking to have a pretty good holiday season. Maybe not as much as last year but still will be profitable, Not only for MS/Sony but also for 3rd party  support, people tend to hold off if they know there is a system coming in the next year.  They don't need to change there image. I'm sure you know what you are getting.

I think you have to take social change's and the way information move's today into consideration  as how it did in the past. Apple and many of these electronic kings are all releasing there products with  shorter advertising periods. It shows where technology is headed and what the best way forward is. If you don't need to advertise for that extra time and yet see the same back in returns, can start sounding like a very bad business decision.

You know sony and MS are looking to what the market is responding to. Why would they be put into a corner with nintendo when they are not in the same situation?

Thats the Truth!


There it goes again.....more BS.

You speak as though the Wii wasn't the highest selling console of this generation.

You speak as though the Wii isn't the 3rd best best selling console of ALL TIME.

You speak almost as though the XBOX 360 is this generation's "king & leader", and "poor old Nintendo, they have to do things differently because they've done so spitty.....poor Nintendo".

 

Get out

 

Sir, no offense to you personally, but I'm not willing to accept your "times have changed" sentiment, when the Wii U sits right there in front of yours, mine, and everyone elses face, showing the same marketing/lead time strategy-occurance as it has been for decades now.

Your theory, as of now, is something that's made up.

 

When this changes, I'm more than willing to take it into consideration.....but that time is not now, unfortunately. 

I'm sorry....but if it makes you feel better, you can consider me from Missouri.  But in this case, it's rightfully so.



Persistantthug on 04 September 2012
HappySqurriel said:
Persistantthug said:

You and a few other's keep saying this.....that "hey, times are different....get with the new times man....console information output isn't the same anymore".

Yeah I keep hearing that sentiment, yet, here we are with a WII U on the horizon, and it in fact had a 1 1/2 year of lead time.

No personal offense to anyone, but it sounds like some of you are trying to shovel up some fresh bullshit in order to hold on to your Hopes & Dreams.

I'm a reasonable guy.....but all I ask is that you give me something reasonable.  And so far, a PS4 2013 holiday release sounds pretty unreasonable right now.

That's truth.

I don't think anyone is saying Sony has to release their console in any particular way except for you, which makes you the only unreasonable person in this conversation ...

With the PS3 Sony began announcing the hardware not that long after the launch of the PS2, and steadily released 100% BS about the capabilities of the Cell processor years before the PS3 was first demoed; I don't think you're arguing that Sony would (has time to) duplicate this strategy. With the XBox 360 Microsoft announced the XBox 360 officially in May of 2005 and released it 6 months later in November of 2005; and your assumption is that consoles can't be successful when launched this way.

At its core the reason why companies unveil a product when they do and release it has a lot to do with their strategy for the market segment. Sony telegraphing a far off release for the PS3 was good for the (underpowered) PS2 because it prevented rumours of Sony being forced to cut the generation short to compete against more powerful systems; and (on a similar note) Nintendo could have prevented Pachter's FUD about the Wii HD by using a similar strategy, and started talking about the hardware that would be part of their next generation system in 2008 (and making it clear that this wouldn't be ready until 2012 or later). Microsoft's 6 month window was (probably) driven by their feud with nVidia which (essentially) stopped production of the XBox.

I personally believe that both Microsoft and Sony are in a similar position to where Nintendo was with the DS and Sony was with the PSP prior to announcing their next generation handhelds. They both have platforms that are selling well at fair prices that have a solid profit margin and they don't want to negatively impact that by announcing their system's replacement.

 

Honestly, I'm getting worn down...

So I'll just leave you with the factual evidence at hand...

 

SONY SAYS NO.

Nuff said.

 

If you want to continue with your Hopes & Dreams, even though 2013 is almost here, I guess I can't stop you.

But I tried.....I honestly tried to you help you and your buddies.

Good luck with that 2013 thing, I guess.  

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