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sethnintendo on 31 July 2012
babuks said:
sethnintendo said:
babuks said:
I would like to know about trinity and whether Jesus, God and the holy spirit all are God themselves.

I am pretty sure that Christians believe they are all the same.  That being said it doesn't seem that impressive to send your only son to Earth when it was really just you to be crucified.  So if they are all the same then Jesus should have known he was going to die and be resurrected. 

I know their belief. I just wanted to know about how Bible say anything about it. On the other hand how does it sound that a son is the Father himself, or 3 persons are one person. 

It was a pretty hard thing for me to grasp when I was young being brought up Christian.  I remember asking numerous questions on the whole trinity idea because it just didn't make sense to me.  You will perhaps get a better answer from someone else though I am sure.  I just found the trinity thing very confusing when I was Christian.



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spaceguy on 31 July 2012
Andrespetmonkey said:
richardhutnik said:
Andrespetmonkey said:
spurgeonryan said:
As. Said in the other thread.

What happened to dinosaurs and unicorns. I went into better detail there.

Jurassic Park teaches you more about dinosaurs than the Bible.

And in life, I am fairly sure there are a number of people who know a lot about dinosaurs, but have very poor lives, and aren't useful to people in much other areas.

OK...? Not really sure what this post is getting at.



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Moonhero on 31 July 2012
Mr Khan said:
Moonhero said:
Dinos died from large rocks from the sky or man made climate change. Something like that.







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Moonhero on 31 July 2012

^ The fall of Dino City. They were powerless due to the lack of fossil fuels.



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richardhutnik on 31 July 2012
BasilZero said:
babuks said:
sethnintendo said:
babuks said:
I would like to know about trinity and whether Jesus, God and the holy spirit all are God themselves.

I am pretty sure that Christians believe they are all the same.  That being said it doesn't seem that impressive to send your only son to Earth when it was really just you to be crucified.  So if they are all the same then Jesus should have known he was going to die and be resurrected. 

I know their belief. I just wanted to know about how Bible say anything about it. On the other hand how does it sound that a son is the Father himself, or 3 persons are one person. 

Not really a debate nor do I want to, just wanted to share a personal belief of mine.

Well from what I personally believe, and this isnt something I read from the Bible but something I came to a conclusion upon my years of research and soul searching.

I see the Trinity as a representation of a human being, three main aspects (for those who believe in spirituality regardless of religion/practice).

Father = Mind
Son = Body
Holy Spirit = Soul

Mind creates thoughts/imaginations just like the father is the creator
Body is the physical representation similar to what Jesus was, physical representation of God.
Soul is the spiritual side of a person , although humanely impossible to describe imo, its like the presence of a person, the essence/aura.

Perhaps it was the only way they could describe the Trinity due to limited knowledge of the divine.

My explanation might be simple at best,but I hope you understand. Its just something I personally believe.

Except that doesn't really work well at all.  Any attempt to try to explain the Trinity results into falling into some logical or theological error.  Best thing to do, though, if one wants to end up trying to come to peace over it, is to look towards what others wrote on it in the past, that is generally respected.

Like some of John of Damascus's writings would help:

http://members.ozemail.com.au/~moorea/john_damascus_trinity.html

You can also look at the Schism between the East and the West over whom the Holy Spirit proceeded from in the Creed.

That is one.  Another one that gets overlooked is how Jesus is supposed to be fully God and fully man at the same time.  That is nearly on part with the Trinity.



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greymay on 01 August 2012
AbbathTheGrim said:

There is no free will. If your god controls everything, and everything that happens in the World is your god's will, we are made to choose what we eventually end up choosing. What option did Judas have when Jesus was put before him? Would Judas be a betrayer if your god wouldn't have put him in his way to begin with? How Jesus sacrifice could have been fulfilled if Judas betrayal would have rested in a true aleatory outcome that could or could not have happened?

When the creators of the Bible invented that story they got too inspired and ended up attributing characteristics of grandeur to that diety that ended up contradicting it all. Adam and Eve were put to a test with the forbidden fruit? What test was that when they were put into a situation by a supposedly all knowing god in which that god, as given the ability to know it all, knew the outcome of what would happen? Then that god comes asking what happened to Adam and Eve as if that god did not know what happen. Then that god blames them for doing something he knew they would do.

I doubt that everything happening in the world today is God's will, think about all the violence etc. in the world. Free will allows us to control some things, 

and I think it is highly underestimated. Do you really feel like you can't wake up tomorrow and control one part of your day? Jesus sacrifice was not at all

dependant on Judas. It is hard to grasp. We have free will, but God is outside of time and knows every decision we will ever make. That doesn't mean that

we don't have free will. It is very weird to think about but when it comes to us comprehending God or understanding how everything works it is just beyond

us. Just like the Trinity. It is very confusing, and it wouldn't be believing if it wasn't. That doesn't mean we are left clueless. I will have to post a link on here

sometime, but check out the scientific analysis on our Lady of Guadalupe's tilma.



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