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Kasz216 said:
Soleron said:
The part I disagree with is that it was intentional collusion between the listed parties. I think everyone was acting in individual self-interest, exploiting a system designed to have as little oversight as possible for that reason.


Well it depends how you want to define collusion, I don't think they were colluding with each other, but I think they had all colluded with government.

 

The collusion has a systemic turning of a blind eye to practices that then become mainstream and are bad financially.  Such practices can put too much risk into the system, and people working in a given industry doing this end up being forced to go along, lest they get fired for not meeting certain standards.  At that point, the entire industry goes off a cliff together.  And, if it is financial, it takes out entire economies and the government steps in to stop further bleeding.  Individuals in the industry, who are at least a generation removed from the events of the past, end up driving things off a cliff, and no one learns.  They also will collude with governments to, who also seem to end up having to forget the lessons of the past.



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Kasz216 said:

It's a shame that the guy who's saying it is antisemitic nut who believes in the NWO and that 9/11 was an inside job.

I doubt anything he said could be qualified as antisemitic, he's anti-zionist, but again zinoism cultists often consider antisemtisim equal to antizionism :D at the same time the most orthdox zionists don't have problems accepting that zionism by itself is a form of discrimination (racial or national), exactly as it was stated in UN Resolution 3379, which as you might know was eventually replaced with another one 4686 sponsored by US and with rather different definition of zionism. And you consider him nut, because he believes in NWO and "specop 9/11", that's nothing :D The only fact of 4686 should have spurred a lot of nuts to believe in ZOG. As I said it before, perfect "patriot" material.

PCR: "Washington delenda est".



mai said:
Kasz216 said:

It's a shame that the guy who's saying it is antisemitic nut who believes in the NWO and that 9/11 was an inside job.

I doubt anything he said could be qualified as antisemitic, he's anti-zionist, but again zinoism cultists often consider antisemtisim equal to antizionism :D at the same time the most orthdox zionists don't have problems accepting that zionism by itself is a form of discrimination (racial or national), exactly as it was stated in UN Resolution 3379, which as you might know was eventually replaced with another one 4686 sponsored by US and with rather different definition of zionism. And you consider him nut, because he believes in NWO and "specop 9/11", that's nothing :D The only fact of 4686 should have spurred a lot of nuts to believe in ZOG. As I said it before, perfect "patriot" material.

PCR: "Washington delenda est".

Believing that Jewish peopel control a worldwide conspiracy counts as antisemtism in just about any book.

Or should anyway...

ZOG = Anti-semtism.

and yes... believing that 9/11 was a conspiracy or that the NWO controls the world does in fact make you a nut.



Kasz216 said:

 Believing that Jewish peopel control a worldwide conspiracy counts as antisemtism in just about any book.

Or should anyway...

ZOG = Anti-semtism.

and yes... believing that 9/11 was a conspiracy or that the NWO controls the world does in fact make you a nut.

I don't follow PCR closely, but doubt has ever showed any sign of believe in ZOG, he just usually blabs about criminal regime of Israel etc., you know, typical sruff. That doesn't count as antisemtisim. What so special about antisemtisim anyway? It's perfectly valid form of nationalism like every other anti-(someone you just don't like)-ism. Are you Jewish? :D

 

As for consipracy, judging by my experience conspirologists and anticonspirologist are breeds of the same kind. Both couldn't comprehend the world without conspiracy, the former by believing in it, the latter by rejecting it. There're some brilliant minds of this kind on this very forum like Joel, stickball, the guy with big daddy avy etc. Say, for me the subject of was 9/11 an inside job or not is practically irrelevant and even worse, it's boring, the only thing that matters - it happened, which leads us to far more important events like ISAF forces in Afghanistan. The basic understanding of history tells me that it's something bigger than 'we want to kill Bin Laden' campaign. But of course it's a conspiracy, just like the history itself :D



mai said:

Kasz216 said:

 Believing that Jewish peopel control a worldwide conspiracy counts as antisemtism in just about any book.

Or should anyway...

ZOG = Anti-semtism.

and yes... believing that 9/11 was a conspiracy or that the NWO controls the world does in fact make you a nut.

I don't follow PCR closely, but doubt has ever showed any sign of believe in ZOG, he just usually blabs about criminal regime of Israel etc., you know, typical sruff. That doesn't count as antisemtisim. What so special about antisemtisim anyway? It's perfectly valid form of nationalism like every other anti-(someone you just don't like)-ism. Are you Jewish? :D

 

As for consipracy, judging by my experience conspirologists and anticonspirologist are breeds of the same kind. Both couldn't comprehend the world without conspiracy, the former by believing in it, the latter by rejecting it. There're some brilliant minds of this kind on this very forum like Joel, stickball, the guy with big daddy avy etc. Say, for me the subject of was 9/11 an inside job or not is practically irrelevant and even worse, it's boring, the only thing that matters - it happened, which leads us to far more important events like ISAF forces in Afghanistan. The basic understanding of history tells me that it's something bigger than 'we want to kill Bin Laden' campaign. But of course it's a conspiracy, just like the history itself :D


I think any Anti-anything isn't particularly valid personally.   Though antisemtism seems espiecally invalid if only because you'd be hard pressed to find a racial or ethnic group more put upon historically and generally having a lack of power.

Not Jewish.  Armenian/Eastern Europeon (Mostly Ukrainian/Polish.)



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Kasz216 said:
I think any Anti-anything isn't particularly valid personally.   Though antisemtism seems espiecally invalid if only because you'd be hard pressed to find a racial or ethnic group more put upon historically and generally having a lack of power.

Not Jewish.  Armenian/Eastern Europeon (Mostly Ukrainian/Polish.)

Xenophobia is a natural reaction, it's how it supposed to be, like immune system of organism. You may deny it personally, despise etc, but I'd pity those who lacks a tiny bit of it, e.g. how people react on smth as trivial as:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyKSEAuNuR8

Fuck fanaticism. Fuck terrorism. Fuck Allah and Islam.
Get the hell out of Europe before you become more than us.
--
Whenever you hear "Allauh Ackbar" on the street, just run, it means a muslim is coming to kill you.
--
integration, tolerance, love & peace... catchwords of retarded people. exterminate those muslim fuckers before it'll be too late. 72 virgins (bitch please) are waiting in paradaise for each one of you so why dont gather all togather and blow up at once?

See? Afterall eurowussies might have a chance.

 

//Aremnians are almost like Jewish, but from Caucasus. That's not even my words, that's some European anthropologists wrote during his visit of Russian Empire more than century ago, forgot what was his name. After thinking about it, modern Armenia have 1) an ambitions for Greater Armenia; 2) a sworn enemy personalized in the state of Azerbaijan over the border (the glorious Armenian propaganda); 3) and whine about genocide by Turks whenever they have a chance. It's amost like Israel! :D



Can't tell if your being serious about the anti-Muslim stuff or not.

As for the Armenian stuff... couldn't tell you. Didn't even know I was Armenian until I was like 20+ something and some of my middle eastern friends said "Hey you know your name is Armenian right." Which was later confirmed by my Armenian mechanics.

Parents did always wonder why someone started randomly sending them an Armenian newspaper... never looked into it though.

Only thing I knew about before that was the aforementioned Armenian genocide, and in particular how it was a popular tactic by US politicians, to claim they are going to pass a bill acknowledging it... then immediately abandoning that plan as soon as elected. It's funny how countries are so hesitant to admit mistakes from hundreds of years ago that don't even really matter anymore.

That said, even if the claims are false... I'm not sure I have a problem with a government like Azerbaijan losing land. The Armenian democracy is far from perfect... but at least there is some voting.

 

Guess i read the situation wrong though.  From what I thought, Russia was backing Armenia giving them weapons, and the US was nominally backing Azerbaijan.  (Selling them weapons and such up until very recently.)   Well unless your breaking pace with the russian gov for once.



Oh.... and as far as the Libor goes. Looks like things are being pretty well covered up.


Diamond suddenly changed his story from saying the Bank of England guy told him to intentionally lower it. To saying that he always knew the bank of England guy didn't tell him to lower it... and it was his employees that misunderstood him.

This happening right after he negotiated a "Do not prosecute" settlement. With company money. Cause that makes sense. Spending the companies money to make sure the CEO who is LEAVING doesn't get prosecuted....

Looks like the Fix is in on that one to avoid getting any government officials in trouble.

Which NOBODY is even covering anymore... the governments effect in the whole affair. (At least stateside from what I can tell.)

Nevermind the company who first brought this to light to the US fed just happened to be the one that miraculously was picked out as the scapegoat.

It's all rather bothersome.



ZH is posting sort of continuaiton of the story in regards to this

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-04-26/illuminati-were-amateurs-matt-taibbi-explains-how-everything-rigged