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Dodece said:
@dallas

1. The only reason you view my perspective to be extreme is, because you dislike the implications. We are discussing a very competitive marketplace. Where portable gaming devices more often then not fail to survive their first year on the market. This is really the norm rather then a exception. Exactly how is saying that the usual could happen one more time in anyway a extreme viewpoint. Especially when the market is only getting more competitive.

2. Seriously your going the my way or the highway route. Your just assuming it is the most viable or desirable of the options available to Microsoft. When the answer is it probably isn't. You want to know how unimportant this is to consumers. I haven't seen any of my online friends actually watch a DVD on their 360. The majority of the time they are streaming content. Microsoft can remove the feature entirely, and nobody would notice or particularly care that it is gone. There are a lot of equally viable technologies Microsoft can choose from, and it isn't as if the need exists on a technical standpoint. The majority of games don't even use all the space on a standard DVD, and with Hard drives getting bigger all the time installing is quickly becoming the norm. Installed games run better on the whole, and it saves strain on the machine.

3. Once again did I miss something. Microsoft still dominates the operating system market, business software, and other software architectures. They aren't being pushed out of markets they owned. They are finding competition in new markets. Gaming is a new market for them, but a pivotal market. Microsoft has put a lot of money into tying gaming into their overall strategy. So yeah don't expect Microsoft to be pulling back here. They aren't just making new gaming studios on a whim. They fully intend to make gaming into a selling point for many of their products. Its going to be an advantage moving forward.

4. The point is there isn't a competitive advantage to be had. Consumers have equal access, and Sony angling for manufacturing efficiency. Doesn't necessarily trump the new financing strategy coming out of Microsoft. If the goal of more efficiency is to make a more cost effective product at a lower price point. Then Microsoft is getting the same effect from offering a installment plan. They cancel each other out. Chances are that Sony will not be making any more per unit sold then they were before.

2. Sure, well msft could use dd but they'd be effectively removing themselves from all markets except the USA.  Why force users to get wifi if they shouldn't have to do this? Wouldn't it be easier to just pay some royalties to Sony?

3. You can argue all you like but you know that there are stronger players with the tablet and smartphone markets, and that users are shifting to these...


4. There is a competitive advantage here with Sony, bc while msft would have no problem at all with making a slimmer model, it doesn't have as much reason to do so.  Sony will be selling the ps3 for 6 years or more in the second and third world cou tries bc it is better to sell something rather than nothing.  Msft has a different strategy where they ignore these cou tries almost entirely and instead concentrate on the fattest markets , i.e   USA, canada, EU, Australia and wants to sell its newest product in these markets rather than the old one.  A revision by msft would probably come a year after the Sony product comes out bc that is the lead that Sony had when both made slimmer products.  A year later means that there would be even less reason to make a new model making the possibility even less likely.



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DirtyP2002 said:
  • Windows 7 is selling faster than any windows before, so no, Windows days ain't numbered at all.
  • MS Servers are growing very healthy outperforming Unix by a biiig margin.
  • .NET framework is still the most used one and ASP.NET already has 21.4% of all websites are using it already, coming in 2nd after php.
  • MS Office is still here to stay and rightfully so.
  • With Skype and Windows Live Messenger MS owns 70% of the market.
    (http://www.winrumors.com/microsofts-instant-messaging-share-now-almost-70-thanks-to-skype/) 

How come people up with stuff like MS is not growing so fast as they used to? MS increased their revenue 25 billion USD over the past 5 years. 5 billion USD INCREASE every year and people say it is weakened. Awesome logic. Compare that to the past 5 years Sony went through and tell me again about the competitive position of Sony.

And lol at the BDA stuff.

When a movie company can make a healthy BluRay business with a product that costs $19.99, I am confident that MS won't suffer from these fees with a product that costs $59.99. People forget that BluRays are using a MS software for compression and I doubt the BDA got that one for free. So MS supporting BluRay wouldn't be a big deal at all.


Which compression is that?

What patent are you referring to?



The Vita is not an asset, it is the embodiment of Sony's commitment to repeat their mistakes regardless of consequences.



Persistantthug said:
DirtyP2002 said:
  • Windows 7 is selling faster than any windows before, so no, Windows days ain't numbered at all.
  • MS Servers are growing very healthy outperforming Unix by a biiig margin.
  • .NET framework is still the most used one and ASP.NET already has 21.4% of all websites are using it already, coming in 2nd after php.
  • MS Office is still here to stay and rightfully so.
  • With Skype and Windows Live Messenger MS owns 70% of the market.
    (http://www.winrumors.com/microsofts-instant-messaging-share-now-almost-70-thanks-to-skype/) 

How come people up with stuff like MS is not growing so fast as they used to? MS increased their revenue 25 billion USD over the past 5 years. 5 billion USD INCREASE every year and people say it is weakened. Awesome logic. Compare that to the past 5 years Sony went through and tell me again about the competitive position of Sony.

And lol at the BDA stuff.

When a movie company can make a healthy BluRay business with a product that costs $19.99, I am confident that MS won't suffer from these fees with a product that costs $59.99. People forget that BluRays are using a MS software for compression and I doubt the BDA got that one for free. So MS supporting BluRay wouldn't be a big deal at all.


Which compression is that?

What patent are you referring to?


"For video, all players are required to support MPEG-2 Part 2, H.264/MPEG-4 AVC, and SMPTE VC-1.[99] MPEG-2 is the compression standard used on regular DVDs, which allows backwards compatibility. MPEG-4 AVC was developed by MPEG, Sony, and VCEG. VC-1 is a compression standard that was mainly developed by Microsoft."



Imagine not having GamePass on your console...

Personally I don't think sony will ever recover the money they lost on blu-ray. They should have stayed down when HD-DVD had beaten them rather than opening their cheque book. I am really hoping by the time the next Gen starts that we are back to cartridges/online/solid state, there really is no need for optical media anymore, it is more fragile, increases the size of consoles and reduces overall reliability (moving parts suck).

The orginal poster is also wrong on just about every point. MS really don't care which optical format is used, they get licensing revenue regardless and Sony have no control to stop them using it. Also not sure where you got the idea MS is in a weaker position, there growth has slowed, but they are still growing, i.e. they are increasing their revenue and profit every year and have done so for the last decade. MS can have a 0% share of mobile and tablet and still grow, their biggest revenue is not the consumer, it is the enterprise space.



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DirtyP2002 said:
Persistantthug said:
DirtyP2002 said:
  • Windows 7 is selling faster than any windows before, so no, Windows days ain't numbered at all.
  • MS Servers are growing very healthy outperforming Unix by a biiig margin.
  • .NET framework is still the most used one and ASP.NET already has 21.4% of all websites are using it already, coming in 2nd after php.
  • MS Office is still here to stay and rightfully so.
  • With Skype and Windows Live Messenger MS owns 70% of the market.
    (http://www.winrumors.com/microsofts-instant-messaging-share-now-almost-70-thanks-to-skype/) 

How come people up with stuff like MS is not growing so fast as they used to? MS increased their revenue 25 billion USD over the past 5 years. 5 billion USD INCREASE every year and people say it is weakened. Awesome logic. Compare that to the past 5 years Sony went through and tell me again about the competitive position of Sony.

And lol at the BDA stuff.

When a movie company can make a healthy BluRay business with a product that costs $19.99, I am confident that MS won't suffer from these fees with a product that costs $59.99. People forget that BluRays are using a MS software for compression and I doubt the BDA got that one for free. So MS supporting BluRay wouldn't be a big deal at all.


Which compression is that?

What patent are you referring to?


"For video, all players are required to support MPEG-2 Part 2, H.264/MPEG-4 AVC, and SMPTE VC-1.[99] MPEG-2 is the compression standard used on regular DVDs, which allows backwards compatibility. MPEG-4 AVC was developed by MPEG, Sony, and VCEG. VC-1 is a compression standard that was mainly developed by Microsoft."

 

Ok...good find.

 

But don't think that, that 1 patent somehow gives Microsoft great leverage.....it's just 1 codec.



DirtyP2002 said:
  • Windows 7 is selling faster than any windows before, so no, Windows days ain't numbered at all.
  • MS Servers are growing very healthy outperforming Unix by a biiig margin.
  • .NET framework is still the most used one and ASP.NET already has 21.4% of all websites are using it already, coming in 2nd after php.
  • MS Office is still here to stay and rightfully so.
  • With Skype and Windows Live Messenger MS owns 70% of the market.
    (http://www.winrumors.com/microsofts-instant-messaging-share-now-almost-70-thanks-to-skype/) 

How come people up with stuff like MS is not growing so fast as they used to? MS increased their revenue 25 billion USD over the past 5 years. 5 billion USD INCREASE every year and people say it is weakened. Awesome logic. Compare that to the past 5 years Sony went through and tell me again about the competitive position of Sony.

And lol at the BDA stuff.

When a movie company can make a healthy BluRay business with a product that costs $19.99, I am confident that MS won't suffer from these fees with a product that costs $59.99. People forget that BluRays are using a MS software for compression and I doubt the BDA got that one for free. So MS supporting BluRay wouldn't be a big deal at all.


No, according to msft's quarterly financials, they increase revenue by about 6% a year, which is evidence of mediocrity.