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It was more referring to the rise in significance of China which is predicted to become the world's largest economy. They're investing in a lot of things in a lot of the world too. Particularly African resources. Though London is due to start being one of the first trading hubs for Chinese currency which is a big sign of China's intentions to start really playing their cards in the international field as a major trading economy.

Personally I prefer English English, but I also find my fiance's vocabulary really cute and we are both constantly still saying "what?" to a lot of slang terms etc. I'm also northern (Yorkshire to be precise) and when I'm in the US, I get asked if I'm from Scotland at times. (really doesn't bother me, especially as half my family is Scottish).

It's funny how people in the US struggle with northern accents, because over here most of our call centres (that aren't in India) are in the north of the country because our accents are considered to sound friendlier.



RIP Dad 25/11/51 - 13/12/13. You will be missed but never forgotten.

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MikeRox said:
Kasz216 said:

I'm going to ignore the rest of this post because I find it silly.

But it's worth noting that lingusists actually agree that the American accents and their brand of English is closer to traditional english then the current English brand of English.

It's a funny thing to keep in mind the next time you hear an english person talking about how americans are "mangling" their lanaguage.

In reality... it's quite the opposite.


What is "traditional" English? Latin? Celtic? French? Spanish? Italian? Pretty much all European languages are actually weird bastardisations of each other from the constant invasions back in the olden days. I think that's why there are often so many shared words. :D

Do Americans talk more like Shakespeare's writing style? Some would say that's traditional English.

Most people would argue yes actually.

Though ironically there is a habit of american actors using a british accent when reading shakespeare.

I'm told this book gives a pretty good description of it

http://www.amazon.com/The-Mother-Tongue-English-That/dp/0380715430



JazzB1987 said:
Kasz216 said:
sethnintendo said:

Your use of the English language is far superior (sound smarter (except people near the border of Scotland, I can't understand you guys...))

I'm going to ignore the rest of this post because I find it silly.

But it's worth noting that lingusists actually agree that the American accents and their brand of English is closer to traditional english then the current English brand of English.

It's a funny thing to keep in mind the next time you hear an english person talking about how americans are "mangling" their lanaguage.

In reality... it's quite the opposite.

I dont know those linguists  but for me as a German,  British English sounds like its American English with strange pronounciation. 
Let me specify it.
It sounds like American English spoken by German Saxons with Saxon accent.   So I dont understand how American English is closer to the original English when Brits are actually Saxons and when both sound like Saxons speaking.

I mean Germans say HAUS  Americans say HOUSE  both sounds like the same word (maybe like HAH OOS) its just written differently. 

Saxons say HAEUS  or something like that and so do Brits  they dont say HA OOS  they add like O U E into the word.  HEH OUES  or something like that.

(its hard to explan I hope you know what i mean)


I have ZERO problem understanding British news anchors,  or Brits singing because they try to "speak clean" it sounds like American English   but normal people talking or even normal British movies give me a hard time understanding what they say.
  (of course Americans from Texas with hardcore accent are also a little bit hard to understand but not as hard as british people IMHO)








According to the arguement in the book i mentioned above

http://www.amazon.com/The-Mother-Tongue-English-That/dp/0380715430

Apparently, such pronounciations only became popular in the 1800's for fasionable stylistic reasons.

 



okr said:
Dear USA, please turn UK into the 51st state.


We (England) could use the USA as another Australia and send our criminals there!

ironically, the USA would probably do this to get more working prisoners in their prisons :D



llewdebkram said:

The UK from what I have seen visiting the USA is also a lot more civilized and compassionate towards its citizens.

When visiting Boston I had never so many homeless people from teens to elderly in temperatres as low as 10F / -12C and right outside Harvard University in the worlds richest country.

In the same city I also saw a very scruffily dressed man and woman in their 60s collecting plastic bottles from trash cans in a grocery trolley, presumably to sell for a few $

I'm used to seeing all this in 3rd world countries I've visited such as Mexico, India, Thailand etc. but I was really shocked to see this in the USA.

Your country should be truly ashamed!!

Have you been to a big city in your country?  Because the homeless rates really aren't that different... and that's using data that is the UK BEFORE the financil crisis, and the US AFTER It.

 

The US has so many unseheltered homeless people, pretty much largely because people refuse to use the shelters and tools avaliable to them... because many homeless people are mentally ill.

The US has something called the "US Pateints Bill of Rights".  Which essentially means if a patient wants to leave, they can, and you can't stop them or force medication on them.

As such, said mental patients usually end up homeless on the streets refusing to use shelters.



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Kasz216 said:

Most people would argue yes actually.

Though ironically there is a habit of american actors using a british accent when reading shakespeare.

I'm told this book gives a pretty good description of it

http://www.amazon.com/The-Mother-Tongue-English-That/dp/0380715430

Cool, I'll have to give it a look. (I'm actually interested in this sort of thing) but Mother Tongue English is quite obviously the Yorkshire accent! :D

I do wonder how many people mean every accent in the UK when saying about the way British people talk, or if they're referring to the more refined "Queens Tongue" which actually... I've heard about 3 people speak in my entire life if you don't include movies and the Queen herself. There's a huge variety in pronounciation and Yorkshire accents (and other northern dialects) definitely share similarities with Irish and Scottish accents and I understand for the most part, many American accents descend from these and a lot of the dialect has gone from being a dialect, to being the normal way of pronounciation.

For example "I haven't got a clue" in my dialect is "I a'nt got a clue" or in American "I ain't got a clue" :)



RIP Dad 25/11/51 - 13/12/13. You will be missed but never forgotten.

MikeRox said:
It was more referring to the rise in significance of China which is predicted to become the world's largest economy. They're investing in a lot of things in a lot of the world too. Particularly African resources. Though London is due to start being one of the first trading hubs for Chinese currency which is a big sign of China's intentions to start really playing their cards in the international field as a major trading economy.

Personally I prefer English English, but I also find my fiance's vocabulary really cute and we are both constantly still saying "what?" to a lot of slang terms etc. I'm also northern (Yorkshire to be precise) and when I'm in the US, I get asked if I'm from Scotland at times. (really doesn't bother me, especially as half my family is Scottish).

It's funny how people in the US struggle with northern accents, because over here most of our call centres (that aren't in India) are in the north of the country because our accents are considered to sound friendlier.

I mean, I know the arguement... but it's still a silly one.

If/when China becomes the biggest economy, the people in charge of said economy will still mostly speak english, as will most big buisness people across the world.

Chances are India will be right up there economically too by then... and they no doubt would throw their hat behind English.  (something like a third of their population speaks it.)

 



Kasz216 said:

I mean, I know the arguement... but it's still a silly one.

If/when China becomes the biggest economy, the people in charge of said economy will still mostly speak english, as will most big buisness people across the world.

Chances are India will be right up there economically too by then... and they no doubt would throw their hat behind English.  (something like a third of their population speaks it.)

 


And when India do get there... I sincerely hope they don't decide it's payback for the British Empire >_<



RIP Dad 25/11/51 - 13/12/13. You will be missed but never forgotten.

Sal.Paradise said:

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Very wise opinion there Sal.



NintendoPie said:
Sal.Paradise said:

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Very wise opinion there Sal.

Why thank you. I was trying to remain neutral.