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sales2099 on 05 July 2012
Ajescent said:
sales2099 said:
Ajescent said:
sales2099 said:
Ajescent said:
sales2099 said:
Ajescent said:
sales2099 said:
To kill Halo the following criteria must be met:

1. Be a 90+ metacritic score.
2. Can only be a PS3 exclusive (since PS3 is 360s main rival and you can only fight an exclusive with another exclusive).
3. Must match or surpass the sales of the last major Halo release.
4. Gain as much pop culture status or surpass Halo in this regard.

It seems to be that number 3 and 4 are the tricky ones. Hence Halo is still alive and well :).

Why is that a must?

There's grounds to argue that COD took over Halo but that isn't exclusive.

Sure if your talking in pure sales but it isnt the parallel to what Halo is. Halo represents the Xbox brand. So surely its "killer" must represent the competition aka the PS3. 

Depends on who you talk to I guess 

No.

For something to be "killed" it needs to be replaced as either the head of its genre or as you say the head of its brand.

in the case of genres, it can be exclusive to ps3 (but not necessary) in case of brand, it only needs to be ousted by a 360 exclusive and be considered the xbox brand icon.

I put it to you that mario is still "king" of Nintedo land and king of platformers because it has yet to be replaced by another nintendo game or a superior platformer.

There is no "no" as there is no concrete definition. 

Either way, Halo is still king in the exclusive department, and if you include multiplats, you include COD....which sells best on 360 anyway. I can live with either possibility. 

One of the reasons I don't realy enjoy typing with you is that everything always ends up boiling down to a ps3 vs 360 arguement and I really don't like those. Because there's more to gaming than sales, there's more to gaming than which is better, the ps3 or the 360, there's just more.

I agree. Sales is only the reality aspect....aka how the gamers respond to the on-paper quality (metacritic) of games. I am an advocate of both quality and the result of how gamers respond to having access to said quality. Because having a great game or a not so great game sell as they do is so fascinating...because ultimately we decide with our money what is good and desirable. Quality is ultimately subjective. 

But in terms of my 360 vs PS3 mentality.....its just fun making things a competition. Its human nature to be competitive and to have the winner/loser mentality in all things we do. I feel neutral people are like the soccer moms of gaming. Fans make it interesting with competition, while the soccer moms just want everyone to have fun. I cant be a soccer mom in sports and certainly wont be one in video games. Just not fun. 

Not sure if I should be offended by that but whatever.

There's nothing wrong with wanting "everyone to have fun" the world having fun bares no outcome to me exactly the same way the world wollowing in the misery of my victory.

I see no reason to "feel good about myself" when others aren't "winning". That's just creepy in my opinion but really. Whatever.

Its the same as in any professional sport, especially given how the Euro Cup just ended. Its just part of the competitive experience. But agree to disagree I guess. 



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

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d21lewis on 05 July 2012

We may never find the killer.



sethnintendo on 05 July 2012
d21lewis said:

We may never find the killer.

He is looking a little red eyed.  Did he just smoke a blunt?



bouzane on 05 July 2012

A couple things OP. Halo was never king, Half-Life was always more popular. Also, even though CoD is getting milked to death it is still better than Halo.



Lyrikalstylez on 05 July 2012

The funny thing about COD is its killer is simply COD itself!

Keep bringing them yearly rehash trash activision



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HiddenConcept on 05 July 2012

I miss the PS2 glory days when they like 10 million games and it was so diverse and had a game for anything and everything. Oh Star Wars Battlefront and Battlefield 2: Modern Combat. How i miss your online craziness. 



d21lewis on 05 July 2012
bouzane said:
A couple things OP. Halo was never king, Half-Life was always more popular. Also, even though CoD is getting milked to death it is still better than Halo.


Amongst PC gamers, maybe.  Half Life was released for the Dreamcast (not in the US) and the PS2 and nobody even raised an eyebrow.  The Orange Box was a great game but that didn't set the world on fire, either.  And Half-Life is a single player game.  Halo became a juggernaut due to its multi-player and eventually, its online. 

As for Call of Duty being better, it's a matter of opinion.  It's definitely more popular now, though.



bouzane on 05 July 2012
d21lewis said:
bouzane said:
A couple things OP. Halo was never king, Half-Life was always more popular. Also, even though CoD is getting milked to death it is still better than Halo.


Amongst PC gamers, maybe.  Half Life was released for the Dreamcast (not in the US) and the PS2 and nobody even raised an eyebrow.  The Orange Box was a great game but that didn't set the world on fire, either.  And Half-Life is a single player game.  Halo became a juggernaut due to its multi-player and eventually, its online. 

As for Call of Duty being better, it's a matter of opinion.  It's definitely more popular now, though.


There is no invisible wall between gaming platforms. Half-Life is the more popular franchise in terms of unit sales per title. Half-Life was never released for the Dreamcast. Nobody cared about the PS2 version of Half-Life largely due to the fact that the PC version was much better in almost every regard. If we are going to talk about multiplayer FPS then I can simply bring up the king of that genre, Counter-Strike. The original Counter-Strike has sold considerably more copies than even Halo 3, the most popular Halo game. CS 1.6 (excluding Source) sold more than 1 million copies through Steam (excluding retail) last year. The only FPS to ever exceed the sales and success of CS 1.6 are the latest Call of Duty games. Halo was never the most popular FPS series and it most certainly isn't even close now-a-days.



d21lewis on 05 July 2012
bouzane said:
d21lewis said:
bouzane said:
A couple things OP. Halo was never king, Half-Life was always more popular. Also, even though CoD is getting milked to death it is still better than Halo.


Amongst PC gamers, maybe.  Half Life was released for the Dreamcast (not in the US) and the PS2 and nobody even raised an eyebrow.  The Orange Box was a great game but that didn't set the world on fire, either.  And Half-Life is a single player game.  Halo became a juggernaut due to its multi-player and eventually, its online. 

As for Call of Duty being better, it's a matter of opinion.  It's definitely more popular now, though.


There is no invisible wall between gaming platforms. Half-Life is the more popular franchise in terms of unit sales per title. Half-Life was never released for the Dreamcast. Nobody cared about the PS2 version of Half-Life largely due to the fact that the PC version was much better in almost every regard. If we are going to talk about multiplayer FPS then I can simply bring up the king of that genre, Counter-Strike. The original Counter-Strike has sold considerably more copies than even Halo 3, the most popular Halo game. CS 1.6 (excluding Source) sold more than 1 million copies through Steam (excluding retail) last year. The only FPS to ever exceed the sales and success of CS 1.6 are the latest Call of Duty games. Halo was never the most popular FPS series and it most certainly isn't even close now-a-days.

There is.  You can't see it because it's invisible.

*edit* I'm having a hard time finding the sales figures for Half Life, Counter-Strike and the other Counter-Strike you mentioned.  The best I've done after my 7 seconds of looking on Google is this 2008 article: http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=21319 How about a little help?



bouzane on 05 July 2012

@d21lewis

I refuse to accept the existence of this so called "invisible-wall" without proof. I traverse the planes of computer, console and handheld gaming and I have never felt the presence of this wall. Therefore, I must assert that it does, in fact, not exist. :p