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Moonhero said:
I like this bill. I would hate to be without healthcare. I feel that ALL Children in the States should have healthcare, No one should have to fear for their child's life. That's why I find it disgusting that there are people who for the sake of making more money are telling people that this is bad. "You're losing your rights if this passes!!" Really? How about the right to life?


I Fully agree. It takes a cold hearted person to think different. This has hit close to home with me and lucky it was just a scare but if it was not then my close family would have not been covered and would have died from cancer. We all had to come up with money just to have it checked. This in a first world country is a joke. I think americans have way to much pride in being american. They think there the sh-t and yet we have some of the poorest people in the world living in our country and they have no problem with this. Disgusting. Greed seems to have some how become valued in america and it's sick.



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If this is overturned, then this country really has it wrong. The President wanted to do something good for the people with this, and has received nothing but flak for it. The man's mother died of cancer and no one would give her insurance... He's trying to do good, and the folks on the other side of things are just looking to block everything he does. SAD.



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Moonhero said:
If this is overturned, then this country really has it wrong. The President wanted to do something good for the people with this, and has received nothing but flak for it. The man's mother died of cancer and no one would give her insurance... He's trying to do good, and the folks on the other side of things are just looking to block everything he does. SAD.

If it goes down then it will be a 5 to 4 decision against the health care act or it will be 9-0 for it.



Depends on the ruling:

If the Act is upheld in its entirety, health insurance costs will go up faster, with little possibility of better reforms.

If the Act is upheld without the mandate, health insurance costs will go up even faster, with even less possibility of better reforms.

The the Act is killed entirely, healthcare costs would continue increasing at current rates, but the likelihood of reform is greater... whether or not that reform will be good, who knows?

All of this assumes that the status quo remains in power after November. If there's a sizeable change in Congress, then better outcomes could be possible.

With that said, I'd rather the Act get killed in its entirety. If it just comes down to the mandate or not... I'd still rather the mandate go, even if it means higher costs, because it acts as a curb on Government power.



Tigerlure said:

Before the oral arguments on the Affordable Care Act, many constitutional scholars had believed that the court would indeed uphold the constitutionality of the reform act. Now, according to some polls, those same people believe that the "individual mandate" will be struck down, if not the bill in its entirety. This article provides some insight into the main questions of how the Supreme Court could rule on the bill and the aftermath of the ruling. 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/jun/22/supreme-court-obama-healthcare-reform

 

However, a new poll released shows that a majority of Americans are dissatisfied with the status quo of health care in this country and want Congress to start over on reforming the bill if Obamacare is overturned. 

If the individual mandate is struck down, how do you think this ruling affects Americans who would have otherwise benefited from this bill? Moreover, how do you think this will reflect on the Obama administration and Congress?

 


It's interesting how you left out that the same poll found people wanted Obama care overturned, and thought it was unconstiutional.

That said, I imagine whoever wins this... gets hurt politically.

Well, unless just part of the bill gets struck down.  If it really is the individual mandate and they say the rest of the law can stand on it's own it's a disaster for Obama.

Despite it being unconstitutional (it really is, the only reason people thought it would pass is that roberts would put ahead view of the court over a good judgement.) it does hold the whole thing togehter.

Without it, but with the rest of the bill in place... prices explode even worse then they have/will with "obamacare."



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SamuelRSmith said:

Depends on the ruling:

If the Act is upheld in its entirety, health insurance costs will go up faster, with little possibility of better reforms.

If the Act is upheld without the mandate, health insurance costs will go up even faster, with even less possibility of better reforms.

The the Act is killed entirely, healthcare costs would continue increasing at current rates, but the likelihood of reform is greater... whether or not that reform will be good, who knows?

All of this assumes that the status quo remains in power after November. If there's a sizeable change in Congress, then better outcomes could be possible.

With that said, I'd rather the Act get killed in its entirety. If it just comes down to the mandate or not... I'd still rather the mandate go, even if it means higher costs, because it acts as a curb on Government power.

It's easy to stand up for ideals when you have the NHS and i have this weird feeling under my armpit that i'm scared to even have checked out because i could be booted off my family's health insurance as early as tomorrow.



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I'm a practicing physician, i can tell you that alot of patients will have insurance but they will have a hard time seeing a doctor; waiting and referral will be long; there will be more E.R. visits but this time these will be "paid" E.R. visits and not "Cash Patients" (like now) which just means they won't pay. Reimbursement for Medicaid/Medical, Medicare needs to be increased to doctors; we have been getting alot of IOU from the government and this makes us not want to deal with Medi/Medi patients because we are not paid and sometimes they are 80% of the outpatient practice.

Look, everyone needs coverage, just like everyone needs Car insurance in California to legally drive. Because your health puts everyone else at risk because u get dx with cancer and needs a million dollar work up with repeat CT, Radiation, Chemo, and then of course most patients end up dying anyways, whos going to pay for the care? All you individualistic people who does not support health insurance for everyone will be paying.

The cycle repeats itself, cut the middle man (insurance company), have an unified payer, increase reimbursement, increase residency slots and medical school in the U.S. to prepare to the increasing wave of elderly patients.



Mr Khan said:

It's easy to stand up for ideals when you have the NHS and i have this weird feeling under my armpit that i'm scared to even have checked out because i could be booted off my family's health insurance as early as tomorrow.


Are you saying that my opinions aren't valid because of something that is out of my control? I loathe the NHS.

Yeah, your situation is bad, and the health care model needs to be reformed. The ACA is not the way to go.



Mr Khan said:
SamuelRSmith said:

Depends on the ruling:

If the Act is upheld in its entirety, health insurance costs will go up faster, with little possibility of better reforms.

If the Act is upheld without the mandate, health insurance costs will go up even faster, with even less possibility of better reforms.

The the Act is killed entirely, healthcare costs would continue increasing at current rates, but the likelihood of reform is greater... whether or not that reform will be good, who knows?

All of this assumes that the status quo remains in power after November. If there's a sizeable change in Congress, then better outcomes could be possible.

With that said, I'd rather the Act get killed in its entirety. If it just comes down to the mandate or not... I'd still rather the mandate go, even if it means higher costs, because it acts as a curb on Government power.

It's easy to stand up for ideals when you have the NHS and i have this weird feeling under my armpit that i'm scared to even have checked out because i could be booted off my family's health insurance as early as tomorrow.

Aren't you in college?  College clinic should be able to ATLEAST diagnose it for free.



xwan said:
I'm a practicing physician, i can tell you that alot of patients will have insurance but they will have a hard time seeing a doctor; waiting and referral will be long; there will be more E.R. visits but this time these will be "paid" E.R. visits and not "Cash Patients" (like now) which just means they won't pay. Reimbursement for Medicaid/Medical, Medicare needs to be increased to doctors; we have been getting alot of IOU from the government and this makes us not want to deal with Medi/Medi patients because we are not paid and sometimes they are 80% of the outpatient practice.

Look, everyone needs coverage, just like everyone needs Car insurance in California to legally drive. Because your health puts everyone else at risk because u get dx with cancer and needs a million dollar work up with repeat CT, Radiation, Chemo, and then of course most patients end up dying anyways, whos going to pay for the care? All you individualistic people who does not support health insurance for everyone will be paying.

The cycle repeats itself, cut the middle man (insurance company), have an unified payer, increase reimbursement, increase residency slots and medical school in the U.S. to prepare to the increasing wave of elderly patients.

The problem is unified payer would likely cut your pay significantly. I've heard that starting salary for American general practitioners is something on the order of $125k a year, whereas in, say, Japan, such salary amounts to about $50k a year. Still a solid starting salary, but much much lower.

Costs for services have to go down across the board, with hospitals and doctors accepting that they're going to get paid a lot less (for instance, the same CT Scan at the same hospital can cost between $800 and $2600 depending on what insurance company pays. That's nonsensical, and even $800 is a little on the high end of what it should cost in the first place), and hopefully a regime will be installed where (unfortunately) a lot of the administrative assistants will be rendered unnecessary.



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